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Given by Geoffrey C. Fox at Computational Science Panel on November 12 1998. Foils prepared November 19 98
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Theme:New Directions in Computational Science and Internetics as Academic Disciplines
Moderator: Geoffrey Fox, Syracuse University and Panelists:
  • Roscoe Giles, Boston University
  • Frank Gilfeather, University of New Mexico
  • Xiaoming Li, Peking University
  • Qian Depei, Xian Jiaotong University
  • Siamak Hassanzadeh Sun Microsystems
This panel will examine the current status and futures of Computational Sciemce in Academic Curricula. We will discuss trade-offs between different approaches including
  • a)Setting up separate programs in Computational Science
  • b) Following proposal of Fox and Li(Peking Univ.), expand concept to a broader program in Internetics including "grid" technologies and "information" applications (see http://www.npac.syr.edu/users/gcf/internetics/)
  • c) Pursue course of integrating advanced computing into traditional fields.
A few years ago there was substantial interest in option a) but this appears not to have "taken off". This panel will ask if this just reflects the great successes with option c) or if we should instead focus pro-actively on promoting a) or b).
Other related issues that can be discussed are the relative importance of "education" and "training" and whether organizations such as NCSA and NPACI should solely aim at training in individual technologies
Or also offer broader "computational science/internetics" certificates with possible academic credit.
Certificates could be attractive for many reasons including the ability to arrange smaller modules (than say typical 12 semester Masters degree) which can be taught by novel distant learning techniques.
Leading questions
  • 1. Does Internetics make sense?
  • 2. Are flexible modular certificates a good packaging of such curricula?
  • 3. Can we set up International collaborations?
  • 4. Do we need any special academic initiatives in this area or will advanced computing concepts be absorbed through traditional departments.
  • 5. If we set up new academic efforts, what is their curricula content and how could they be set up?
  • 6. Should the current NSF, State, DoD and DoE centers emphasize education more or stick with training?

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1 Computational Science: Curriculum: Internetics or Simulation? Certification: Degrees or ? Delivery: Conventional/Distance?
2 Panel Speakers
3 Why/What is Internetics in a Nutshell
4 Synergy of Parallel Computing and The Grid Internetics as Unifying Principle
5 Internetics and Physics
6 New Academic Curricula ....

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Foil 1 Computational Science: Curriculum: Internetics or Simulation? Certification: Degrees or ? Delivery: Conventional/Distance?

From Computational Science Curriculum, Delivery, Certification Computational Science Panel -- November 12 1998. *
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SC98 Education Program Panel November 12 98
http://www.npac.syr.edu/users/gcf/compscisc98
Geoffrey Fox
Syracuse University NPAC
111 College Place Syracuse NY 13244 4100
3154432163

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From Computational Science Curriculum, Delivery, Certification Computational Science Panel -- November 12 1998. *
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Geoffrey Fox, Syracuse University
Roscoe Giles, Boston University
Frank Gilfeather, University of New Mexico
Xiaoming Li, Peking University, China
Qian Depei, Xian Jiaotong University, China
Siamak Hassanzadeh, Sun Microsystems

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Foil 3 Why/What is Internetics in a Nutshell

From Computational Science Curriculum, Delivery, Certification Computational Science Panel -- November 12 1998. *
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Computational Science is Interdisciplinary field in between Computer Science and "large scale Scientific and Engineering simulation-based" applications
  • Academic fields: Aerospace engineering, physics etc.
Internetics is Interdisciplinary field between CS and Information-based applications
  • Bioinformatics, Public Communication ...
Roughly it is difference between parallel computing and "The Grid" without necessary an emphasis on high performance ....
Enrollment in Classic Computational Science at Syracuse has dropped from 50 to 5; enrollment in Internetics has risen from 6 to 100 (95-98)

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Foil 4 Synergy of Parallel Computing and The Grid Internetics as Unifying Principle

From Computational Science Curriculum, Delivery, Certification Computational Science Panel -- November 12 1998. *
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The two forms of Large Scale Computing Scale Computer for Scale Users in Proportion Power User to number of computers
Parallel Distributed Information Systems Computers Computational Grids
<--------------- Internetics Technologies --------------->
1% market
99% of market driving
student interest and (Java) technologies

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Foil 5 Internetics and Physics

From Computational Science Curriculum, Delivery, Certification Computational Science Panel -- November 12 1998. *
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The Physics department at Syracuse has active research program but no graduate students at all -- in particular no graduate students interested in computational science ......
  • (They get admitted to Physics PhD but graduate with masters in computer engineering)
A combination of Physics and Internetics is an interesting background both to
  • be an experimental physicist designing new data analysis systems
  • be a K-12 science teacher
Further comparing "books" with the Web, we see that the Web offers opportunities for "technical people" as well as those with good "communication skills" -- Java applets combined with numerical algorithms may sometimes be more effective than streams of beautiful English words and nifty drawings

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From Computational Science Curriculum, Delivery, Certification Computational Science Panel -- November 12 1998. *
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Suggests the use of distance education as it will allow a few experts to deliver instruction to more students and this
  • addresses shortage of trained faculty
  • cost of developing new curricula requires many students to amortize cost
Internetics technology enables distance education
Both delivery mechanism and identification of knowledge nuggets (such as Internetics or computational science) that are less than a traditional degree suggests different approaches to certification
  • How do you recognize a student at your university who passed my 4 semester Internetics certificate from webwisdom.org

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