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Notes from GEM Group Meeting on future proposals and projects

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1 Overall Issues -- Rundle
2 Overall Issues II -- Rundle/Henyey
3 Overall Issues III -- Henyey/Jackson
4 Scientific Approach
5 National Academy Study -- Tom Jordan
6 Comments I -- Jim Dieterich
7 Comments II
8 MultiScale Phenomena
9 Computational Issues I -- Minster
10 Computational Issues II -- Minster
11 Comments
12 2 Initial Projects
13 KDI Proposal
14 KDI -- II
15 KDI -- III
16 KDI - IV

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Foil 1 Overall Issues -- Rundle

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Book -- July 1 1999 deadline
Computing in Science and Engineering Journal Issue
KDI -- May 17 deadline
$100K -- Initial Project
International Links -- Japan, Australia
Multiple scales are critical and computation good approach
Reductionist (normal science) v. constructionist (computing -- emergent phenomena)
Role of Observation and Model
How do you evaluate probabilistic predictions
Components of GEMCI -- must be modular
  • data assimilation, analysis, web-based solvers, visualization, data, modules for friction etc.

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Foil 2 Overall Issues II -- Rundle/Henyey

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Working groups at Queensland Meeting Jan-Feb 99
  • data assimilation
  • algorithms
  • applications
  • microscopic physics
  • macroscopic physics
Why GEM -- Analogy to Weather community
GeoVision 2000: Future of field -- computation
  • Out of ~10 initiatives, only one solid earth
Santa Fe October 97: first SCEC contacts
San Francisco December98: GEM is a geophysical enterprise and not a specialized simulation activity
March 10 99 USC SCEC Steering committee
  • GEM part of earthquake physics but perhaps too big?
Future of SCEC: 3 more years to go but NSF will not fund existing centers
  • Goal is that NSF is catalyst for new ideas
  • Working with NSF on new funding models
  • Significant personnel changes at NSF

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Foil 3 Overall Issues III -- Henyey/Jackson

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ACES is APEC earthquake simulation initiative
  • ACES will sponsor general meetings and specialized working groups
  • Originally ACES wanted $1M a year for computers but now funds are targeted at workshops
  • USA will join with SCEC as point of contact?
  • USA Interest is science issues
SCEC is integrative organization for efforts on earthquake hazard understanding/mitigation
  • SCEC will review proposal and (if appropriate) endorse
SCEC Thrust areas (to be integrated)
  • Earthquake potential
  • Rupture Dynamics
  • Tracing Seismic Waves
SCEC Funding NASA Keck KDI(..)
  • Is computational infrastructure SCEC or just simulation
  • GEM proposal review committee at SCEC headed by Rob Clayton
  • SCEC HPCC requirements committee
  • SCEC ACES linkage committee
DoE Energy Research SSI initiative
GEM Emphasis

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Foil 4 Scientific Approach

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Models
Where is GEM?

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Foil 5 National Academy Study -- Tom Jordan

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climate, oil reservoir are related more mature fields
traditional approach based on "fundamental laws" limited
  • Need close coupling with observation
Seismic wave propagation through complex media successful
fault rupture immature - why?
Has 6 major questions to be answered
Need to standardize problems
Encourage collaboration in numerical simulations of earthquake system
  • 5 proposed areas: Seismic Wave propagation, Stress transfer, Rupture dynamics on single faults(quite sophisticated 3D calculations now), Earthquake sequences in fault systems, Damage mechanics

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Foil 6 Comments I -- Jim Dieterich

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Obstacles to success
  • sociological and technical
  • GEM is eventually inevitable -- lets start now
Many different approaches to earthquake modeling
Need a unifying theme
Primary technical/conceptual challenges in EQ modeling
  • basic physics input
  • physics length and time scales broad
Attainable goals in 5 to 10 years
  • what simulations are practical now
  • practical goals e.g. ground motions, hazard assessment
  • conceptual topics e.g. clustering, synthetic catalog, fault networks
Relate to observations

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Foil 7 Comments II

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Klein: Role of Simple Models? Do these first?
  • Use this to test importance of friction laws etc.
  • look at hierarchy of overlapping models: slider, CA, full featured continuum simulation
  • robust features in simple models can either be wrong or irrelevant!
  • To get believable results, one must have multiple efforts
Whitcomb: Climate community has a multiscale activity where simulations at several scales are linked via boundary conditions
Before large scale simulations, need to clarify disagreements in basic simulations ?
Sammis: science is critical
  • science is simple and elegant
  • makes predictions
  • can be falsified
Large catalog of observations in need of modeling
  • data patterns (in seismicity) suggest there is something to predict
Lisa Grant, Kerry Sieh on integrating data with GEM
  • larger earthquakes are most important societally
  • data + models,GEMCI gives validated predictions
Many gaps in data space needed for GEM -- 10 year proposal from Kerry
They need good database technology (GEMXML)

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Foil 8 MultiScale Phenomena

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Field Observations

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Foil 9 Computational Issues I -- Minster

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NPACI set up to help with computer time
Has presentation from ACES on role of HPCC in earthquake modeling
Relation to national approaches
Identify Disciplines, Questions, "Collaborations" (a.k.a. multidisciplinary efforts to do particular application areas)
  • Seismic wave propagation -- SCEC "shoot outs"
  • Stress Transfer -- "SCEC workshop"
  • Rupture Dynamics, Earthquake Sequences, Damage mechanics less advanced
Catalog science and resources, via question and collaboration 2D matrix
Correlation (the result) versus interactions (direct link)
Japan will build 1010 element FEM models of mantle

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Foil 10 Computational Issues II -- Minster

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Interactive models useful for Stress Transfer
Would like shoot out on same problem of different single fault rupture dynamics
After shocks important -- not present in simple models
Damage mechanics is study of properties of material as a result of earthquake related phenomena
Map collaborations to multiscale diagram
I suggest integration as additional needed activity -- not well received
Activity relating applications (called collaborations) to questions
Skepticism by Leon Knopoff on utility of large scale computation before we understand basic principles
Prediction (probabilityᢈ%?) versus Forecasting!

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Foil 11 Comments

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Brosl doing degree at Stanford developed EarthObjects
Scirun at Utah
www.nobjects.com C++ math package
ESRI map data
SimQuake exemplar simulation

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Foil 12 2 Initial Projects

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Single Fault Simulation
  • Q1: Nucleation
  • Q2: Propagation
  • Q3: Ground Motion
  • Q4: Size
Regional Network Simulation
  • Space-time magnitude distribution
  • Fault Interactions

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Foil 13 KDI Proposal

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Last year "good" rating
Change classification of earthquake simulations to reflect discussion yesterday
Focus on scales as KDI spells out
PI, co-PI's, Investigators
Computational Science should be ambitious?
Science focussed and less ambitious?
Interest in data mining
Eric Brow GUI for Seth's model
  • Fault Segment editor
  • Display using Cornell lattice tool 2D and 3D stresses

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Foil 14 KDI -- II

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Salmon N-Body methods
  • Astrophysics v. Earthquake
  • N2 versus NlogN
  • FFT analogy
GEM Green's functions more complicated
Parallel Oct-tree Library as a template
Beowulf
Tom Henyey on KDI
Full Scope of Science
Full Scope of GEMCI
Pilot Projects in Computation and Science
Computation is algorithms plus web-based environments
Two thrusts -- Science and Computation
workshops, computing, CS "product"

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Foil 15 KDI -- III

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CERC
  • Integration
  • Tectonic Framework
  • Earthquake Source processes
  • Fault Systems and stress evolution
  • Seismic hazards
NESC National Earthquake Center
  • Focus on San Andreas areas
  • Simulations
  • 3-D Imaging
  • Crustal Deformation
  • Computational Infrastructure
  • Integration gives forecasts

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Foil 16 KDI - IV

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3 Basic Science
  • Seismic wave
  • Single Fault
  • Regional Fault
Interactions
3 Stages of computing
  • Computational Collaboratory
  • Data Inversion
  • Data Assimilation
Make case based on this vision but don't prejudge implementation
National focus requires care to be attentive
April 21-26 meeting
Technical meeting later
NPACI Earth Science group would like to continue
Two issues addressed this meeting
  • KDI Scope
  • SCEC Involvement
KDI wants infrastructure and a pilot project to test it
  • Stress/Seismicity, Rupture Mechanics, Waves, Data mining
  • Emphasize that many different approaches to simulation

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