From davew@well.com Sun Aug 30 17:31:59 1998 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: marti warner Subject: Re: last chance don't screw it up!@ In-Reply-To: <19980831002730.19636.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey marti i hope that you are kidding....this is the first email ive recieved from you since before...way before whats up need me in real time 800 950 0849 leave voice message...i get paged mom says that your feeling better.... havent heard from you in a while.... davew From davew@well.com Sun Aug 30 20:56:23 1998 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo@yahoo.com Subject: was watching you baby Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: can see you just thought id sa hi hi xoxoxox From davew@well.com Mon Aug 31 11:45:03 1998 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: David Cole Subject: Re: millions of things In-Reply-To: <001601bdd4f8$93c0b5a0$24701ad1@ibm-notebook.aquathought.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: dave how many tng3's do you need to be shipped dont have fcc...so it is technially a "kit" page me today or tonight 800 950 0849 am in meetings till 5pm up late need more info on tour ???? From davew@well.com Mon Aug 31 11:48:29 1998 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: edlipson@syr.edu Subject: millions of things (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BDD4D7.0C4A6060" Content-ID: Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BDD4D7.0C4A6060 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: hey.... look what we started daveww ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:01:12 -0400 From: David Cole To: davew@well.com Subject: millions of things Dave: Above all, are you shipping thing3's yet? Can the outputs be used to latch solid-state releys? Can I toggle the outputs from the com port (is the instruction set available)? I've got a quick project, for which I need this embededness... its a neurofeedback modality dressed as an animatronic sunflower. On another note, what up? Dc ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BDD4D7.0C4A6060 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description:

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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BDD4D7.0C4A6060-- From davew@well.com Mon Aug 31 17:55:28 1998 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: FW: Bio warfare countermeasure toxin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: s i am pretty sure that it didnt come from us i am verifing but i think he has more address than we do i agree that no one should be able to do this davew From davew@well.com Mon Aug 31 18:06:37 1998 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Steve Murray Subject: RE: Eric Rasmussen In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980831173239.00941230@marlin.nosc.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: steve "all hands on deck" if you are personally intrested in telemedicne and we can work with eric R the more there is the better the chances of actuallying doing somthing intresting your call bt just meet with the army telemedical command at ft detrick the tatrc group telemedicine and adv tec research center there may be some great "joint" force synergy c u next week will email specifics on time to meet davew From davew@well.com Mon Aug 31 18:08:55 1998 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: RE: Eric Rasmussen (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: do you know this guy??? re the navy dude ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:32:40 -0700 From: Steve Murray To: davew@well.com Subject: RE: Eric Rasmussen Hi, Dave! Eric has agreed to meet with us during the DARPA PI meeting. I told him we would have more details as the meeting got closer. As I told you earlier, this guy is a Navy LCDR, Medical Corps, and is coordinating essentially all of the telemedicine efforts within Third Fleet (i.e., including the Coronado). I mentioned you and your background in my first email to him, so if you'd like to get in touch with him directly, his email address is u00sc3f@coronado.navy.mil. I'm very interested in telemedicine, and I think a lot could be done to improve our (i.e., the local Navy labs) contributions to the field. I'm NOT currently involved in the area, however, so don't feel that you need to include me in your discussions with LCDR Rasmussen; I'm happy to introduce the two of you and let things go. Steve From davew@well.com Tue Sep 1 20:08:30 1998 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: rrice@portal.admin.harc.edu Subject: Re: (Fwd) Widgit Application In-Reply-To: <199809012253.RAA08008@portal.admin.harc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: bob we lost rahul to med school... new group forming re sensors. what exactly do you need we can do most of what you mentioned if i had a better handle on the problem i can give you specifics how can i help? davew On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 rrice@portal.admin.harc.edu wrote: > Greetings Dave - > Still hoping to connect. I have a cool application for your bend > sensors and electromyographic patches in the NASA arena, and I'm > working with Cori Lathan and Mike Rosen to develop collaborative > projects/proposals integrating VR, robotics and rehab. Never heard > back from Rahul; give me some feedback about sensor availability > when you have a moment. Thanks > Bob Rice > > From davew@well.com Wed Sep 2 19:40:45 1998 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Daryl Zeigler Subject: Re: FYI: LTC Zeigler's Promotion Ceremony In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980901224725.007a7b80@pop-server.icsi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: this is good news ...right???? so when do we get to work together davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 2 19:46:15 1998 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: marti warner Subject: Re: hi In-Reply-To: <19980902132016.15486.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey marti im in st louis.... was training with the army .... my tie dye shirt got their attention...not quite the uniform their are used to.... but they got over it and it was a good for blowing stuff up im working on detecting landmines....sort of princses di meets darth vader..... email janice at janzoo@yahoo.com have fun at the beach c u davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 2 19:52:16 1998 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: wavz research Subject: Re: eric and i wont be up to CRNR before 9.19... In-Reply-To: <35ED6639.CC512FD4@intr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: k please email the boyz in the crnr and tell them you will not be comming was good to meet kim... spent the day with gunny crane the marine at an army base good things are a brewing davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 2 19:53:16 1998 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo Subject: Re: you'll like this... In-Reply-To: <19980903002707.20474.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey baby had fun with the army today lectures tomorrow luvs me From davew@well.com Thu Sep 3 11:19:46 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Marc de Groot Subject: Re: hey In-Reply-To: <199809031647.LAA05792@rgate2.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: marc im basically working for darth vader medical intelligence distributed robotics landmine detection wearable computers darpa contract... still commuting between san diego and syracuse did a gig for nasa...went to russia twice am going to singapore and germany in next few months ..... have some student hackers and want to infect theme with meme would you come out to syracuse if i pay expenses say fly out on a thur return on mon pm or when ever.... no hurry let me know on the thearpy thing.... i am intrested to know how well it works still on the meds davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 3 16:29:06 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Marc de Groot Subject: Re: hey In-Reply-To: <199809031929.OAA12754@rgate.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: im as integrated as possible... i may have lost my mind.... have you seen it davew On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Marc de Groot wrote: > > Sounds like life is still exciting! I hope you're keeping body > and mind together... > > > have some student hackers and want to infect theme with meme > > > > would you come out to syracuse if i pay expenses > > It would be a pleasure! > > > > > > > > > say fly out on a thur return on mon pm > > > > > > or when ever.... no hurry > > Sure...I prefer to do it before I need to get another contract job, > which will be in about 2 months. > > > > > let me know on the thearpy thing.... i am intrested to know how well it > > works > > I'll let you know. > > > > > still on the meds > > > > Yes. Still on Wellbutrin, but I'm telling people that I stopped taking > it. After three different women said they didn't want to date me because > I'm taking medication, it is apparent that I have overestimated > the sophistication of my audience...if they can't handle the truth, > they don't need to know. > > >sigh< The Bay area pisses me off. My upstairs neighbor is super-considerate, > but she now has a heavy-footed boyfriend who walks around after midnight. > My stint in Big Sur this past weekend really made me see how stressed and > unhealthy the Bay area is. I'm seriously considering strategies for getting > out of here as soon as possible, and staying out. Maybe if I finish Metatopia, > it will generate enough income for me to live somewhere remote. > > I am *so* ready to have this anger out of my life. Hope the EMDR does it. > > BTW, several days ago I was talking to my father about EMDR and how it > might help him. He disagreed, and I cited some of the stuff that happened > in my childhood. This led to him saying that I provoked him to beat me. > > Man...that *really* put his emotional problems in perspective for me. > > It may be the best thing that's happened to me with respect to my father; > I no longer expect him to be a normal parent to me, so I won't be > disappointed. I now see him as a person who seriously needs help, and I > have pity instead of anger. > > I'm 39 years old and it's high time I let go of my parents anyway. Now > I'm ready. > > Sounds like you're doing very interesting stuff. I assume you and your > cohorts at Syracuse U. get to play with the technology as a side benefit? > > All the best...I'm looking forward to seeing you. > > > > ^M > -- > Marc de Groot > marc @ immersive . com > http://www.immersive.com/marc/index.html > > "Don't panic! It's only ones and zeroes." -unknown > > > From davew@well.com Thu Sep 3 16:33:36 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Marc de Groot Subject: Re: hey In-Reply-To: <199809031929.OAA12754@rgate.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: marc i have a 20 bedroom house and a 2 megabit internet connection power nerds cyber elves and widgiteers you are wellcome to come and spend a month if you would like i can pay for travel and maybe expensises no expectations on my part...come and play how soon can you come out???? davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 3 16:46:02 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: ???'s Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: pop quiz....mike hopmeier...friend or foe ?? he is linked to many of the same projects that im linked to he wants to "connect" how much shall i trust his motives??? also he says he is a "good" friend of annie's t or f making slides for you can fed ex them monday am to arrive tue am where????? also ?? how about henry girolamo????? us soldier systems command thanks davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 3 16:56:27 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Marc de Groot Subject: Re: hey In-Reply-To: <199809032350.SAA18195@rgate.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: every time i back up on tape...i get stuck davew On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Marc de Groot wrote: > > > Date sent: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:29:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dave Warner > To: Marc de Groot > Subject: Re: hey > > > im as integrated as possible... > > > > i may have lost my mind.... have you seen it > > Don't sweat it...it's backed up on tape somewhere... > > > > ^M > -- > Marc de Groot > marc @ immersive . com > http://www.immersive.com/marc/index.html > > "I always change my opinion when new evidence becomes available. What > method do you use?" -seen on usenet > > > From davew@well.com Thu Sep 3 16:57:26 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Marc de Groot Subject: Re: hey In-Reply-To: <199809032348.SAA18046@rgate.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: you say when and for how long.... i buy the plane ticket open invite davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 3 21:22:40 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Tait Subject: Re: e-list In-Reply-To: <000c01bdd7ae$6c86d920$0a00a8c0@MSN/Tait> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hi tate long time no hear... hows medschool???? have you surfed our site neattools is really kicking butt www.pulsar.org we have a list serv for all the projects relivant to the pulsar project would you like to join??? check out proposals and papers links on our site am working with darth varder....darpa davew On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Tait wrote: > Dave, is there currently an e-mail group/list for Interventional > Informatics? > > If not, would you contribute to one? > > -Tait > > > > > From davew@well.com Fri Sep 4 07:55:50 1998 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: ???'s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: thanks for the heads up will proceed with cation.. you will have slides by wed am at your house address davew also i think that the "eric ,dave, annie, tom team would be a lot of fun davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 4 08:09:52 1998 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: dave@sparky.med.ecu.edu Subject: aethra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: dave aethra.com is the url of the tech that jay is proposing to use also lets lock in some dates for dave in bubba land davew how about some time between the 7th and the 14th of october davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 4 12:35:07 1998 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: jan@jancam.com Subject: new email??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: does this work who is it with me From davew@well.com Fri Sep 4 17:20:23 1998 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: marti warner Subject: Re: hi In-Reply-To: <19980902132016.15486.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey marti would you please show dad http://www.profacts.org/ hit the gensis stuff and let him see hat is there thanks davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 4 17:38:05 1998 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: the difference Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A s contrast and compare shaun-com vs what dick is having us do for war fighter viv pi meeting context lets refine shaun com ... also note interface limitations on theres vs ours number of clicks to actually do somthing comment pro and con thanks davew we will morph to plesae From davew@well.com Fri Sep 4 17:42:55 1998 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: Re: the difference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Dave Warner wrote: > s > > contrast and compare > shaun-com > > vs > > what dick is having us do for war fighter > viv pi meeting > > context > > lets refine shaun com ... > > also note interface limitations on theres vs ours > > number of clicks to actually do somthing > > comment pro and con > > thanks > davew > > > we will morph to plesae > > Here are the instructions on how to upload files to the Extranet: - Open your Netscape Navigator 4.0x browser* and enter the following URL: http://www2000.sysplan.com/SMWV/ - Enter the User Name: smwv - Enter Password: brittany - Click the "login" button. - To upload a file, choose "File Exchange" under the Activities menu (located on the top-left of the welcome page). - Open the appropriate folder (Smart Modules or Warfighter Visualization). - Once you've chosen the appropriate folder, use the "Browse" button in the Extranet File Manager to locate your file on your computer. - Select your file and then click "Upload File". If anyone has a problem accessing the Extranet, please contact Ms. Judi Parker via email, jparker@sysplan.com, or by phone, 703-351-8402.> From davew@well.com Sat Sep 5 12:10:36 1998 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:10:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: the difference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: what # shall i reach you on monday??? davew From davew@well.com Sat Sep 5 18:21:11 1998 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Erik Viirre Subject: Re: check this out In-Reply-To: <35EFBD63.1F67@hitl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: http://chemdef.apgea.army.mil/fm8-9/part_iii/chapter10.htm also shaun "indicates" that we should go for it asap dave From davew@well.com Sun Sep 6 16:34:05 1998 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo Subject: Re: seats In-Reply-To: <19980906225502.18510.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: thanks baby xoxox i c u From davew@well.com Mon Sep 7 13:16:58 1998 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: FW: URGENT Last Day to Register at Riviera MONDAY for $89 a night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: wmd's are chemical and bio urban assults also just survived a tornado here in syracuse last night talk about mass distruction power is out except at the univ.. will still have slides to you by wed 10 am fed ex davew From davew@well.com Mon Sep 7 15:52:22 1998 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: David Balch Subject: Re: dave and janice to come to ecu!!! In-Reply-To: <19980907212322.4063.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey janice and i will show up arround the 8th and leave the 13th darpa is paying for this trip davew we have a lot to catch up on and a lot of future modulation to cause c u From davew@well.com Mon Sep 7 15:57:12 1998 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:57:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo@yahoo.com Subject: going to ecu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey baby we made it through the storms the servers are back up and were online power still out at the house any way plan to go to ecu from the 8th till the 13th of oct and then come to syracuse til the end of october or first of nov... so tickets should be i fly to charrollette north carolina on the morning of the 8th you take the red eye from the west coast we fly to greenville together... then both go to syracuse c u me put the web cam back up From davew@well.com Mon Sep 7 18:39:11 1998 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:39:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: the difference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: called arround 930 no answer will be up late power out at the house ..due to storm am at university lab... topics to cover shaun com...for pi meeting what do you want neurometric for expousre...erik viirre what do you know about "open source intelligence" as opposed to "in-house or closed source intelligence heard from annie?? tatrc- mg parker..vector..global grid tele-? system ie medical intel also time check on next med,,, c u davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 8 07:06:55 1998 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:06:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: INOTEK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: s are you where i can call you today am shooting slides for you today davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 8 10:23:31 1998 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Karen S. Morgan" cc: westwood@uconect.net, sjones@darpa.mil Subject: Re: FW: Interesting article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hi karen i am finalizing the the memes for the "medifing cyberarium" ie the event on the opening night of med vr just a glimpse Pre-Inventing The Future The Cyberization Of Medicine An Event Intended To Nurture The Medical Cyber Culture Cyberizing Technologies Illustrate The Future Feature Demonstrating New Interface Technologies New Tools For Healing New Methods Of Techniques And Technologies For Helping Healing Happen Wellness Maintenance WANTED Medical Power Nerds To Demonstrate Pre-Product Phase Concept Phase New Interface Devices New Representational Methods New Concepts Inspiring Art Piece's Collective Intelligence Distributed Tele-Medical Communication System Filtered Medical Info Standard Filters Current Practice Methods Decrease Concept Development Cycle Time New Ways To Acquire Data New Ways To Perceive Information New Ways To Communicate Knowledge Intelligent Tele-Medical Communication Systems Will Impact The Core Concept Of What It Means To Practice Medicine New Disciplines Will Be Invented Extending Perception Space Time Data/Information Perceptual Modulation Experiential Interaction With Information Edge Thinking Scaling Perception Small Scale Devices/Instruments Probes Micro Bots Remote Control Surge-Bots Technologies Which Facilitate Perception Cognition Expression Medifing Cyberarium Emergent Interactive Medical Technologies Interactive Experience Technologies Which Enable Interactive Experience Technologies Which Enable An Experiential Interaction Stimulate Intellect Techno-Social Synergy Session Cross Fertilization Cross Discipline Thinkers Trans-Specialists Of The Future This Event Will Represent An Eclectic Mix Of Medical Cyber Nauts ,, Grad Students To Power Nerds And Garage Wizards Gadgets Gizmos Grok-O-Laters Are All Welcome Its About Healing From Wearable Computers To Global Grids davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 8 13:10:10 1998 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Karen S. Morgan" Subject: Re: FW: Interesting article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: karen rules are that i suggest names and you and jim offer them the world right???? of course shaun has to approve.... charles tart uc davis ross adey loma linda vetrans hosp how about wayne jonas from nih alt med davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 8 17:00:53 1998 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:00:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo@yahoo.com Subject: our web cams Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: our cams are on and we will be there from time to time xoxoxo From davew@well.com Tue Sep 8 18:10:22 1998 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: dave ecker log Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: fyi here is a list of all who have accesseed the message boards since july davew 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edwards requested AntiVirals at Fri Sep 04 18:43:46 EDT 1998 edwards requested AntiBacterials at Fri Sep 04 18:44:01 EDT 1998 edwards requested Immunization at Fri Sep 04 18:44:13 EDT 1998 edwards requested AntiToxins at Fri Sep 04 18:44:18 EDT 1998 edwards requested Decon at Fri Sep 04 18:44:23 EDT 1998 edwards requested MultiPurpose at Fri Sep 04 18:44:27 EDT 1998 davew requested External_Protection at Tue Sep 08 14:52:40 EDT 1998 davew requested Immunization at Tue Sep 08 17:39:32 EDT 1998 davew requested External_Protection at Tue Sep 08 17:39:42 EDT 1998 davew requested AntiBacterials at Tue Sep 08 17:59:50 EDT 1998 davew requested Immunization at Tue Sep 08 18:28:04 EDT 1998 davew requested AntiBacterials at Tue Sep 08 19:53:08 EDT 1998 davew requested MultiPurpose at Tue Sep 08 19:54:52 EDT 1998 davew requested MultiPurpose at Tue Sep 08 19:55:10 EDT 1998 davew requested Decon at Tue Sep 08 19:55:17 EDT 1998 davew requested AntiToxins at Tue Sep 08 19:55:38 EDT 1998 davew requested External_Protection at Tue Sep 08 21:00:41 EDT 1998 davew requested External_Protection at Tue Sep 08 21:00:46 EDT 1998 davew requested AntiBacterials at Tue Sep 08 21:00:58 EDT 1998 davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 8 18:21:26 1998 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: alert on decker Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: shaun log files show that dave ecker is loging in as me i will change my password asap change yours he started doing this a while ago .. but todays email from him confirmed his idenity nothing bad just fyi on what were dealing with davew below is the log of his entry his ip is 206 19 105 130 Error Login from 206.19.105.130:Userid null at Tue Sep 08 19:46:18 EDT 1998 Login from 206.19.105.130:Userid davew at Tue Sep 08 19:53:03 EDT 1998 Login from 206.19.105.130:Userid davew at Tue Sep 08 19:54:45 EDT 1998 Login from 128.230.21.185:Userid davew at Tue Sep 08 20:58:39 EDT 1998 From davew@well.com Tue Sep 8 18:29:49 1998 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: how to change your password Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: log in go to correct user data link just type in a new password change is instant after you update we were able to catch this because we also have security at the database level we can develop...normal patterns of use filters so we can prevent and or challange this in realtime in the future... just need to find a $ source for a little hacker time From davew@well.com Wed Sep 9 07:33:26 1998 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Marc de Groot Subject: Re: Weather In-Reply-To: <199809090621.BAA16084@rgate.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: 150 mph winds now power for 3 days now university is powered ..thus this email life....the adventure worth having davew On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Marc de Groot wrote: > I hear you are having some weather. Are you okay? > > > > ^M > -- > Marc de Groot > marc @ degroot . net > > "The equals sign can be taken to mean 'is confused with'." > -G. Spencer Brown > > > From davew@well.com Wed Sep 9 07:49:10 1998 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: how to change your password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: re Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:13:20 -0400 From: sjones To: 'Dave Warner' Subject: RE: how to change your password And just how many rubles would that be for a hacker at todays exchange rate that would be a couple of big boxes of rubles or we could do another po thing for little hacking... or acitvate grok-box for big hacking for now we will limp along with what we have and hope for sunny dazes in the future davew btw this myra person.... manic...but friendly davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 9 11:58:51 1998 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: how to change your password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: re what i want to do sounds like myra and ?julie/judy from spawar have thought a little about how to do a logistics-com system for you program manager types to help handle all the interaction with pi's review papers organize and register for pi meetings ...other random communication.... ie they know what they want and have already tried to get a similar thing running...turns out that it didnt scale... the good news is that they seem intrested in having such a system ergo...would be a good group to work with since they would actually take an active role as user and help guide the interface and functionality development and since they know the "ropes" we can make sure that were doing somthing useful as far as how much do i need as it stands now i can etch away at some of the little things with my other resources to develop "on demand" functionality ..ie some of the things that myra was asking for ....we can do a "service" po or somthing easy like before to develop a robust system which really intelligently solves the problems that would have to be worked out as to the specific functionality but it is"more" than a po not really fishing but am able to help if you need me davew also viz-uals for nm meeting progressing nicely "mind in the loop systems" davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 9 15:47:22 1998 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: moving forward In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: s will have mind in loop slides to you by sat am via fed ex...unless another storm we are still with out power at the house.. also will do the best i can to develop somthing useful with myra and co, ie next iteration of shaun-com how much time should i give them?? is there any "end of your funding"?? every bit helps...but we will work in good faith as long as i can davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 10 10:51:10 1998 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Steve Murray Subject: Re: telemedicine meeting In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980910101647.009a82a0@marlin.nosc.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: steve i will make time at the conference to connect dont know the schedule yet will be there all week i have since meet with the people at tatrc.. telemed-adv-tech-reserch-ctr they are working on some projects that may be of intrest have not made contact with navy doc will count on you to do intro c u next week i will be on email and my vm/pager 800 950 0849 is in davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 10 13:50:11 1998 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: eurban Subject: Re: PI Meeting In-Reply-To: <51C53C6FC75DD0118A3908002BB90FCB8764B4@msx-5.darpa.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: re my presentation they will be there.... by tue am also any heads up on who i should focus on re wearable computer interface..other??? davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 11 07:06:52 1998 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "WEBSTER, LAURIE (JSC-SD)" Subject: Re: TIRR Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: laurie looking forward to see how this turns out.. davew From davew@well.com Sat Sep 12 09:11:30 1998 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: FW: ELECTRONIC BOOK '98 WORKSHOP *** CONFERENCE AGENDA - PLEASE F ORWARD *** In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: did you get the slides??? davew From davew@well.com Sat Sep 12 10:22:52 1998 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:22:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: slide memes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: i thought that you might want a little "intellectual" freedom with the slides i can script "several" talks with these visuals... my tatics is to dwell on the image slides and whip through the word slides these were made to be somewhat future proof as they leave open for you to fill in the content with your own personal intel will be making more over the next 45 days will copy you on them if you like also if you have sketch ideas that you would like to see let me know never got the fed-ex all we need is the digital form and were ready for review... davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 13 11:52:59 1998 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Rahul Panesar Subject: Re: as long as i can see the light... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey man life is good.. when should i come and give a "dave show" sounds like "you da man" with the peds thing... -"'you have learned well ....... dont get cocky...;-) yet ya we miss you...but sounds like this will all converge soon how is the med school .. you didnt mention it once in your email,,,, take what you need also we can establish an offical i3 site there if you would like im in san diego till 22ed and then on 25th i fly to singapore would like to do a fly by some time soon take what you need but besure to ask tav and rob cause they cleaned up the tronics shop a little davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 13 20:47:51 1998 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:47:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: s it was my understanding that im not to invite but to suggest to jim and you are to approave tom should be there right??? davew On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, sjones wrote: > Did you ever invite Tom Ferrell to speak at NextMed? > > > From davew@well.com Sun Sep 13 23:55:43 1998 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: will tell jim to give offical invite davew On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, sjones wrote: > Correct. I thought you already asked, I said yes, and therefore you could > invite him > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Warner [SMTP:davew@well.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 1998 11:48 PM > To: sjones > Subject: Re: your mail > > s > > it was my understanding that im not to invite but to suggest to jim > and > you are to approave > > tom should be there right??? > davew > > > On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, sjones wrote: > > > Did you ever invite Tom Ferrell to speak at NextMed? > > > > > > > > From davew@well.com Mon Sep 14 00:04:14 1998 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 00:04:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: memepool for your scaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: scroll through the following http://s012.infomall.org/memes/9-98memes.html (this is a non processed file) also good thought stim when looking for "pivot" points in presentations --- a pivot point is a progressive step in which you may redirect content flow modulation in all things davew From davew@well.com Mon Sep 14 13:27:17 1998 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Donna Cookmeyer Subject: Re: SPIE meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: donna i have not submited an abstract to the meeting but i am working on new perceptualization techniques and aspects of the human interface for land mine detection systems im an md with work in medical neuroscience my focus is on the physiological and psycho-perceptual aspects of human computer interaction of the things im doing i have been developing interface systems for the disabled new interface systems for human performance assesment the work with darpa is here http://www.pulsar.org/febweb/proposals/botmstrpro.html with the statement of wrok of http://s008.infomall.org/b3k/reginifiedsow.html if this is still interesting please contact me where and when in april... davew From davew@well.com Mon Sep 14 22:22:14 1998 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Rahul Panesar Subject: Re: as long as i can see the light... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: i am glad to see your suffering......it will make you strong ,,,,,,yeah right cher up... the worse is yet to come davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 15 22:32:40 1998 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Joni BOKOVOY Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Special project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: thanks joni i will follow up this is gonna be fun huh??? davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 15 22:38:38 1998 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Donna Cookmeyer Subject: Re: SPIE meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: to avoid potential time slot conflict where and when in april... davew also what are the lenght and form filters for the abstract?? davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 15 22:40:47 1998 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Markus Schmidt Subject: Re: Markus comes to town In-Reply-To: <35FEE1F2.BF61A694@npac.syr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hye markus we will see you there at the airport davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 15 22:41:21 1998 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: MindKind Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <000701bde0fb$7dfeb6e0$1a14d2cc@oemcomputer.san.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: this is a response to your test davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 16 23:54:32 1998 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:54:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: edlipson@syr.edu Subject: SSNR and stuff (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BDE169.4F4FFDE0" Content-ID: Status: O X-Status: ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BDE169.4F4FFDE0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: ed this is a message from dave cole the active electrode that "obannon" is working on is the same idea as other we are doing....this needs some thinking and i need to get a little more info from dave but in all it is promising davew ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:58:25 -0400 From: David Cole To: DaveW@well.com Subject: SSNR and stuff Met with O'Bannon at SSNR in Austin last week... he said that he's working on an active sensor for ThingX... cool!!! We really need to talk about Aquathought reselling Thing. There is clearly a demand for a geek port with current users and once we release the software that inserts Thing data into the Mindset datastream, its a slam dunk! All users would like EMG and EOG recorded w/ the EEG. Also, the digital outs could be used for feedback logic controlled external events (like SMR enhance feedback driving toy race cars ... providing ADD therapy couched in competitive fun (I know that this is vintage Warner and I pointing out the obvious). Less on the business front... how goes it? We're courting another dolphin deal... this time non-Jacoby. May be another fluster cluck... may be real. If real, we'll know in two weeks... they have to close on property in Ft. Myers by end of month. All I have... Dc ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BDE169.4F4FFDE0 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description:

Met with O'Bannon at SSNR in Austin last week... he = said that=20 he's working on an active sensor for ThingX... cool!!! We really = need to=20 talk about Aquathought reselling Thing. There is clearly a demand for a = geek=20 port with current users and once we release the software that inserts = Thing data=20 into the Mindset datastream, its a slam dunk! All users would like EMG = and EOG=20 recorded w/ the EEG. Also, the digital outs could be used for feedback = logic=20 controlled external events (like SMR enhance feedback driving toy race = cars ...=20 providing ADD therapy couched in competitive fun (I know that this is = vintage=20 Warner and I pointing out the obvious).

Less on the business front... how goes it? We're = courting=20 another dolphin deal... this time non-Jacoby. May be another fluster = cluck...=20 may be real. If real, we'll know in two weeks... they have to close on = property=20 in Ft. Myers by end of month.

All I have...

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BDE169.4F4FFDE0-- From davew@well.com Wed Sep 16 23:56:43 1998 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: David Cole Subject: Re: SSNR and stuff In-Reply-To: <002701bde18a$d68ad0c0$24701ad1@ibm-notebook.aquathought.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: dave are you arround this week lets talk in realtime davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 17 00:03:20 1998 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: liberties were yours to take on the talk...left you a lot of room also meet with Eric Rasmussen md fleet surg. for 3rd fleet we need to talk davew On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, sjones wrote: > Thanks for the slides..took some liberties but the spin into surgical stuff > went well..for the .01% that actually got it. > Best/ > > From davew@well.com Thu Sep 17 19:09:26 1998 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: will be in dc tue pm and wed you arround??? i will be at darpa on wed... davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 18 17:14:45 1998 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Steve Murray Subject: Re: talks In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980918154117.006b8d48@marlin.nosc.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: steve i have been resecheduled to go out on sunday must go to dc will be in syracuse on monday and dc tue and wed phone is good and im arround this weekend 800 950 0849 vm davew On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, Steve Murray wrote: > Hi! > > I'd like to talk to you on Monday, if at all possible, before you head out > of town. I'll tell you what I learned from Dick Urban and about the > interesting exchange I had with Henry G. I can also give you some more > details about our own SSC needs. > > Steve > > > > From davew@well.com Sat Sep 19 09:21:18 1998 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: rikr@npac.syr.edu Subject: FW: extropians-select-d V1 #25 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:01:26 -0400 From: sjones To: 'Dave Warner' Subject: FW: extropians-select-d V1 #25 You might find these amusing....and I am sure they would love to respond to your inputs (smile)... Best/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-extropians-select-d@extropy.org [SMTP:owner-extropians-select-d@extropy.org] Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 1:55 AM To: extropians-select-d@extropy.org Subject: extropians-select-d V1 #25 extropians-select-d Thursday, September 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 025 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:22:46 -0400 From: Harvey Newstrom > Subject: Re: uploading Fauver17@aol.com wrote: > > I have been concerned with the upload / teleport problems for some time and I > am glad to see others have the same internal debate, however, some thoughts: > > I think consciousness is a generated phenomenon, and any (functionally) > perfect copy of my mind will generate the same phenomenon. Here, I think most people get sloppy in their terminology. Is it the "same" phenomenon, or an separate example of the same phenomenon? Are two PC's running Windows 95 really the same computer? Is there a single universal computer called Windows 95, and all PC's are just tapping into the same computer? I think that differences between people is measured not only by their current thoughts, but their potential for future thoughts. Even if my mind were wiped clean, I still would hope no one would kill me. Even though I sufferred a great loss, I would be alive and could relearn information. I seek to preserve my life first, my informmation second, and hopefully both. Some people seek to sacrifice their lives to preserve their information. > There are points > in sleep (or under anesthesia) that the mechanism for its generation stops > functioning, and in essence, my consciousness ends. However, daily, I > recover, poll my memories, and continue on thinking I am myself. I think this point is irrelevant. It is true that people lose consciousness all the time and it doesn't bother them. Obviously, losing consciousness is not the bothersome point. The problem is losing life. We don't die every night and come back to life. This is clearly not the same phenomenon. They only look similar to an outside observer. Also, the last point is irrelevant. Anybody can be brainwashed into thinking they are someone else. That doesn't make it so. Anybody can be replaced by an impostor that can fool some other people. That doesn't make them "become" the individual being mimicked. Only the original can answer the question of whether the upload is successful. If there is any divergence in answers, the original must be paramount. No procedure that coerces the original against its own will is acceptable. Until the copy is proven to be the original, its answers cannot be allowed to stand for the original. To ask it to answer for the original, and then accept that it is the original based on its answer, is a classic example of circular logic. > I think the concerns I have (and others) are with discontinuity. If there is > discontinuity with duplication or uploading, then I cease and the copy lives > on. But we experience discontinuity on a daily basis, and recover because our > memories tell the conscious engine who we are and what to do. I think sleep only appears to be discontinuity. We forget or don't remember/record our lives during sleep. We are still alive and still present. We are available to start interacting with our environment at any time. After we are dead, we are not available. We cannot start interacting with our environment. There is a clear difference between being dead and being asleep. Pointing out similarities does not ease someone into accepting death, because they focus on the differences. > What we may find is that consciousness is not anchored to any one individual, > but possibly a common phenomenon in the universe. Any copy of my self can tap > into or generate this phenomenon. I will appear to myself (the conscious > phenomenon) that I _am_ myself (whether it is a death and duplication, or > multiple duplicates.) This is where the theory of transferrence during a destructive upload turns mystical. "It may be" that we discover that the new copy "taps into" the universal consciousness, but until we demonstrate the existence of this scientifically, we have no evidence that this will occur. You might as well postulate that we can be reincarnated and that later humans will share our current consciousness. It may be, but we have no evidence of this. I will be the first to admit that I can't prove consciousness doesn't transfer during a destructive copy. But I don't think it has been proven that it does, either. All we can agree upon right now is that the copy will look and be functionally equivalent to the original from the point of view of an outside observer. > However, if we find that a unique consciousness is tied to an individual's > atomic structure at a level we cannot duplicate (where some law of physics > such as the uncertainty principle bars further observation) then the gradual > transfer approach is possibly the only hope. Agreed. I think some people accept a destructive upload as a means to survival. I think everybody accepts a nondestructive upload as a means to survival. (Assuming these things are even possible anyway.) - -- Harvey Newstrom > Author, Engineer, Entrepreneur, > Consultant, Researcher, Scientist. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 1998 19:10:49 +0200 From: Anders Sandberg > Subject: Re: uploading & consciousness bradbury@aeiveos.wa.com (Robert J. Bradbury) writes: > My perspective from interpreting these works is as follows. There *must* > be an "overlord" in a multi-processing system such as the brain which > prioritizes the tasks required for survival. In that case consciousness may well be defined by our attention system, which seems to fulfill this task (together with the basal ganglia for task and cognitive selection). > In a multiprocessing system such as the brain there may be a conscious > thought or activity, but other activities go on simultaneously (witness > driving and talking on a cell phone). The conscious thought or activity > is simply the one with the greatest processing power at its disposal. Not necessarily, it is not clear that there exists something similar to processing power resources that can be redistributed, even if some data in attention PET and fMRI studies actually looks like something like that is going on. > When more people have multi-processor > machines on their desk and run Windows NT (or Linux or other UNIX > variants) and gain some experience with what a system is like > which can do multiple activities simultaneously, the human mind > will be much less of a mystery. Very true. > I agree that "classifying" uploading/transfer methods is an important > activity as it will give us a vocabularly to talk about things among > ourselves and to less informed people. Maybe some factors to look at are: Continous / Discrete: External add-ons - gradual replacement - Moravec surgery - Scan & Vaporize Granularity: The size of the systems involved, from biochemistry - subcellular - cellular - microcircuit - area - whole brain Fidelity: how closely related are the original and upload? So adding more and more bionics and eventually becoming a posthuman who might forget about the tiny human part of its mind would be continous, very granular (whole bionic subsystems), fidelity low. Scanning a brain by slicing it with a microtome and scanning, modelling and simulating would be discrete, fine granularity (resolution set by the scanning and model used), fidelity: structural. Have I missed some important stuff? I seem to lack the basic philosophical distinctions here that might be what is really sought. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Sandberg Towards Ascension! asa@nada.kth.se http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/ GCS/M/S/O d++ -p+ c++++ !l u+ e++ m++ s+/+ n--- h+/* f+ g+ w++ t+ r+ !y ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:04:29 EDT From: KathaDS@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: uploading & consciousness What about the subconcious? That fly in the ointment of life! Katha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:18:46 EDT From: KathaDS@aol.com Subject: Re: uploading How about the subconcious and the dream world? Sometimes a dream can make or break my spirit for that day. Katha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:33:10 -0400 From: Reilly Jones > Subject: uploading Harvey Newstrom wrote 9/14/98: Like Harvey, I have never been able to generate much fervor over the semantics of "identity," perhaps because the topic has been almost totally pre-empted by the cursed group rights advocates with their "identity politics." "Identity" issues have become clouded with collectivist thuggery in a might-makes-right free-for-all for those illegitimately seeking power and financial rewards. While staying away from the "identity" topic, we still must grapple with defining which entities are entitled to rights of citizenship, competence for entering into contracts, life, etc. Such definitions need not get unduly wrapped up in "identity" if individual rights are being championed, but seem to *require* "identity" proclamations for the assertion of group rights. Let's stick to individual rights. Avoiding "identity" semantics does not allow us to avoid topics such as subjectivity, individual intentionality, and volitional freedom. With this in mind, there is *no* argument "that the copy and the original are both the same identity" because subjectivity is indivisible. Individual rights here, not group rights. If the copy and the original have the same subjectivity (sometimes referred to as "qualia"), then they are one entity, not two. It is meaningless to speak of a copy *and* an original sharing an identical subjectivity. There is no collective subjectivity; intersubjectivity, yes, but not subjectivity. There is only one nexus of volitional freedom per entity, not two or more. Each unique entity has unique consequences of their intentionality. A copy *and* an original obviously each have their own unique consequences of their intentionality, hence they cannot be the same "identity." I agree that "each individual has to choose their own preferences as to what parts of themselves are important that they want to preserve, and what parts are unnecessary and can be discarded," this is what parents do all the time when bringing children into the world and they are rapidly gaining technological tools to facilitate these decisions. However, because you/parents are bringing a new self into being (a uniquely created subjectivity), other selves around you have every right to become politically involved with your decisions; not with your decisions on what you do to yourself, but with your decisions on what you do to other selves. This is fundamental to the establishment of any polity for any social purposes whatsoever. Nicholas Cornwell wrote 9/15/98: As I said to Harvey, I disagree with how "vital" identity as a concept will be unless it's the group rights crowd having at each other carving up pies. A copy has the status of a child in relation to the original as parent. A simulation is property, nothing more; the owner maintains property rights and is hopefully living within a polity that doesn't lean towards socialist infringements of these rights. It is important when dealing with such radically new technology, that we have some model to aid in developing political systems dealing with definitional issues such as "rights," "responsibilities," "consent," "contract," etc. The best models are always found within existing oral and written traditions because these embody the selections (genetic, somatic, cultural) that have actually occurred in history. History has shown repeatedly that when a model is developed based on theory or wishful thinking rather than tradition, that whatever polity develops after applying such theory, devolves to either gang warfare or state tyranny. These negative conditions generally occur fairly rapidly when traditions are subverted or overthrown. With this in mind, I think when speaking of copies, duplications, uploads, originals, etc. we should look to traditional family relations and successful reproductive strategies for a model, not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy about some desired reality. Thus, originals are parents, a copy is a child, multiple copies even if altered, are siblings, etc. As for "transfers could conceivably be subject to editing - so how about editing against their will," again, this is the parent-child relation and the obvious ability to edit against their will is why the development of the child is traditionally subject to the political processes of the polity the family belongs to. Education is editing, as Tolstoy and Helvetius established. As for "I can see it being suggested that they are... a non-person," welcome to the abortion and slavery debate (denial of the right to life and liberty respectively), this is exactly the issue. Welcome to the debates on universalism vs. polycentrism, to barbarism vs. civilization. I don't have the time to take individuals seriously when they argue for an upload's rights - a developing self - when they are all too happy to call an unborn child - another developing self - a "non-being" in order to place the child into the "murder-for-profit" market. Logical inconsistency and internal incoherency is a big time waster. Chris McCarley wrote descriptively 9/15/98: <1. Destructive procedures: allows one to create a different *instance* of intelligence with the same knowledge as the original, and the original is destroyed. 2. Nondestructive scanning procedures: allows creation of different instances of the original without destroying the original instance of intelligence which may continue to function. 3. Transference or incremental replacement: the original instance is moved to another host.> Rather than "different instance" I prefer "entity." 'Instance' generally is an event in time, while entity is more complex, a function-and-form real existent within a social matrix. A model for (1) could be a woman dying in childbirth; for (2) normal parent-child relations; for (3) a normal developing self, assuming no discontinuity. I almost think that (3) is the same as (1) except the implication is that the original host is not destroyed but rather is available for transference back to or reversible replacement at any time. Perhaps the definition could be explicated further. The issue of discontinuity is crucial to sorting out how each instance might be treated within political systems. Let me add a couple more comments from the list, then I will air some speculative thoughts germaine to uploading itself rather than political considerations. Ryan Smith wrote 9/16/98: Robert Bradbury wrote 9/16/98: The idea that we are hepped-up computers is strictly fashion. The scientific community has a long and somewhat vain history of picking whatever technological marvels are current to be the model of human consciousness; from clocks to heat engines to cybernetic feedback loops to powerful CPUs. The more historical overview you can achieve of the Western scientific enterprise, the more silly this tendency looks. The other fashion phenomenon in view, is that each scientific discipline can't see beyond it's own training and can't speak beyond it's own lingo. Physicists see quantum gobblygook, mathematicians see attractors, biochemists see an extension of polymer chemistry, computer nuts see multi-processors. Rarely do specialists examine the metaphysical presuppositions of their models. One of the most common set of presuppositions fashionable right now is digital metaphysics (increasingly written about in papers and books) or what I have referred to on the list as "information as an ontological primitive." Every time I go to the philosophical basement with individuals who hold this view, I find it to be incoherent. I'm not going there again. We create information, we are not comprised of it in itself. Surveying published material across disciplines highlights that elements within each specialized outlook do have something to recommend them. Putting them all together seems to be the main problem. Yes, there are major digital elements in the mind, maybe a quarter of what goes on, information processing, synaptic firing, collapse of quantum waves, etc. There are also analog elements in the mind, maybe three quarters of what goes on, NO diffusion, quantum wave entanglement, chemical synaptic processes, etc. There is an intimate connection between cortical activity involved in reflective thought and motor activity involved in action, there is an inseparable link between attention mechanisms and the whole sensation-learning-memory sequence of events. There is no discontinuity after conception and before death for these developmental processes - genetic, somatic, cultural. What is often mistaken for discontinuity is attenuation of the spectrum of focus of our attention mechanism (in Gelernter's terms). Dreaming or being under anaesthesia is low-focus attention, extraordinarily tightly focused attention could be severe autism; these are not discontinuities. Searle makes a very compelling case that there can exist no sub-conscious or unconscious states that are not available to our conscious state given proper attention, there may be physical bodily functioning states but in no way can they be intelligibly thought of as "unconscious" or "sub-conscious." Research is accumulating on tacit perception and tacit learning being constant possibilities simply because we are open to the universe at all times, whether directing our attention or not. Because the movements of the body are inseparable from the thoughts of the mind, our subjectivity (in the "qualia" sense) changes with each movement. New bodies produce new thoughts. Following the design convention that form follows function (even where the forms permit multi-functionality like our brains or thumbs), I cannot see how we can posit partaking of universal consciousness or some such blather, without also positing some universal form which is nowhere in evidence. It seems pretty clear that we have a distinct limited form which is somewhat plastic, and that we desire to make that form more plastic to enhance our multi-functionality and increase our chances at survival under fluctuating environmental conditions. Because of the large analog component of our brain, I fail to see how a digital transference can be made with perfect fidelity to the original. A digital CD can never capture more than half of a musical concert performance no matter what the sampling rate is. What constitutes "good enough" fidelity is one thing with a music recording, an entirely different matter when it is your own personal essence in question. A discontinuity in this analog component following a transference to an entirely new form seems to create an entirely new entity with a new nexus of volitional freedom from the original. Gradual plasticity of form seems to be the only way to maintain continuity of the same local subjectivity, otherwise it seems like we are talking reproduction here, not indefinite longevity of the same entity. I think generally we want to augment the consequences of intentionality with our plasticized forms rather than restrict them. I think we are bits of tiny stuff coherently bumping around in preferred paths and that we impose mathematical or biological or quantum physical or computational models on top of what is really happening as suits our specialist needs of the moment (which are generally no more noble than trying to haul in a grant or kudos). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reilly Jones | Philosophy of Technology: Reilly@compuserve.com | The rational, moral and political relations | between 'How we create' and 'Why we create' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:51:39 +0100 From: Nicholas Cornwell > Subject: Re: uploading & consciousness In message <7c7bf52b.360035ed@aol.com >, KathaDS@aol.com writes >What about the subconcious? Freudian or mechanical? > That fly in the ointment of life! We're mates, me and my nethermind. We nip off to the boozer every so often and have a snifter. Fly in the ointment, nothing. ....cheers... N - -- Nicholas Cornwell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:26:55 +0100 From: Nicholas Cornwell > Subject: Re: uploading In message <199809162033_MC2-59B9-F9@compuserve.com >, Reilly Jones > writes >As I said to Harvey, I disagree with how "vital" identity as a concept will >be unless it's the group rights crowd having at each other carving up pies. > A copy has the status of a child in relation to the original as parent. A >simulation is property, nothing more; the owner maintains property rights >and is hopefully living within a polity that doesn't lean towards socialist >infringements of these rights. You say 'subjectivity', I say 'identity'. I didn't want to get into qualia, q-memories and the rest, because it becomes obscure and jumbled really fast, and my memory for my first-year philosophy is a little shaky. Still, you said it - 'subjectivity is not divisible'. Couldn't agree more. 'Socialist infringement'? Do I detect a political leaning? All sorts of people infringe rights. It has to be said that the old Eastern Bloc did it terribly well - of course, they're paid up Capitalists now, and still going strong on many of those infringements. > >It is important when dealing with such radically new technology, that we >have some model to aid in developing political systems dealing with >definitional issues such as "rights," "responsibilities," "consent," >"contract," etc. The best models are always found within existing oral and >written traditions because these embody the selections (genetic, somatic, >cultural) that have actually occurred in history. Hmm. Maybe - although all of those were new once, and not all of them have been terribly successful (to say the least). And if a new technology leads to a paradigm shift (which I have to say I think many of the advanced technologies we contemplate - nanotech, gene therapy, AI - would inevitably do, at least in the long run) then old patterns become irrelevant, functionless, or damaging. > History has shown >repeatedly that when a model is developed based on theory or wishful >thinking rather than tradition, that whatever polity develops after >applying such theory, devolves to either gang warfare or state tyranny. >These negative conditions generally occur fairly rapidly when traditions >are subverted or overthrown. History has, as yet, shown no such thing. I'm afraid I cannot concure with your interpretation. There frequently is a violent and horrific interregnum after the destruction of an old order, but equally, so far, the social situation has improved in many ways in the mid to long term. For example, the American Revolution, the Civil War...I can go on. In fact, many problems in such periods of strife arise from the attempt to apply the thinking of the old era to the new one, where it simply is not valid - you could make a very strong case for this happening in Russia now. If you are interested, check out "States and Social Revolutions" by Theda Skocpol, and "Revolutions", by John Dunn. You might also glance at Anthony Giddens 'Consequences of Modernity". > With this in mind, I think when speaking of >copies, duplications, uploads, originals, etc. we should look to >traditional family relations and successful reproductive strategies for a >model, not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy about some desired reality. Thus, >originals are parents, a copy is a child, multiple copies even if altered, >are siblings, etc. It's a map. It remains to be seen whether it is a good one. And as you point out, the nuclear family is under strain in our world - why labour it more by forcing its application to a new territory? > >As for "transfers could conceivably be subject to editing - so how about >editing against their will," again, this is the parent-child relation and >the obvious ability to edit against their will is why the development of >the child is traditionally subject to the political processes of the polity >the family belongs to. Education is editing, as Tolstoy and Helvetius >established. Education is more than editing, and editing is NOT education. If one were able to write a certain kind of thinking out of someone's mind, to wall off the possibility of a particular thought, this would be the most massive infringement of personal freedom ever contemplated or achieved. The most massive violation. Education makes possible the contemplation of new things, allows the exploration of every aspect of thought, and even acknowledges the possibility that education is a bad thing. Editing (or indoctrination, or brainwashing) does the opposite. > >As for "I can see it being suggested that they are... a non-person," >welcome to the abortion and slavery debate (denial of the right to life and >liberty respectively), this is exactly the issue. Welcome to the debates >on universalism vs. polycentrism, to barbarism vs. civilization. Thanks - I like it here... > I don't >have the time to take individuals seriously when they argue for an upload's >rights - a developing self - when they are all too happy to call an unborn >child - another developing self - a "non-being" in order to place the child >into the "murder-for-profit" market. Logical inconsistency and internal >incoherency is a big time waster. I don't believe I have ever called an unborn child a non-being. You haven't asked me my views on abortion. Best take me seriously until we've thrashed that one out, eh? I think it is artificial to equate an upload (a fully-functional self, possibly new, possibly old) with a foetus - but I respect the worry that we ignore old and amazingly important debates in favour of newer, sexier ones. Of course, the upload debate could potentially affect me directly, but I've been born already. Such is the nature of most people, that something which could impinge on their subjectivity is paramount. As for murder for profit, I'm afraid it's a global phenomenon, one which I despise. Though I suspect from the quotation marks that you meant something more specific which I don't immediately recognise. As for logical inconsistency and internal incoherency, please highlight any of mine; if I can't clarify them, I'll have to review my opinions. Cheers, Nick - -- Nicholas Cornwell ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 1998 12:44:26 +0200 From: Anders Sandberg > Subject: Re: Re: uploading & consciousness KathaDS@aol.com writes: > What about the subconcious? That fly in the ointment of life! > Actually, the subconscious is rather neat. I seem to detect a trace here that some people think that uploading only transfers the "conscious" part of the mind, or just the high-level structure of the mind. This is unrealistic, since without the other parts our minds would not function at all (try thinking without any low-level attention processes, limbic feedback or brainstem activation). Uploading will most likely involve scanning the brain on a very physical, neural level and creating an emulation/simulation/whatever based on this; you would get the subconscious and non-conscious parts of the brain as a part of the package. Untangling the mental structures into a more convenient form is much harder; my guess is that this is the next major step after uploading has become successful. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Sandberg Towards Ascension! asa@nada.kth.se http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/ GCS/M/S/O d++ -p+ c++++ !l u+ e++ m++ s+/+ n--- h+/* f+ g+ w++ t+ r+ !y ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:55:57 EDT From: KathaDS@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: uploading Nick et al: You better believe there's some egregious "editing" going on! The generation following mine (I was born in '46) seems to have no concept that public transportation or utilities would exist unless the government had "made" them-though most of both were taken over from the private sector by government entities. The generation after that really seems to believe that man qua man has no rights, except those graciously conceeded to him by the almighty State ("driving is a privilege, not a right. Fishing is a privilege, not a right"), and that rights are only obtained by loyal adherence to a pressure group-AARP, NAACP, etc. This is really scary stuff, as you pointed out! We are losing all the individualist gains of centuries in just a few generations. It could and will eventually set the clock back for science too, unless impeded. Katha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:03:13 +0100 From: Nicholas Cornwell > Subject: editing/indoctrination (from uploading) In message <5b0838ad.360122fd@aol.com >, KathaDS@aol.com writes >Nick et al: > > You better believe there's some egregious "editing" going on! > > The generation following mine (I was born in '46) seems to have >no concept >that public transportation or utilities would exist unless the government had >"made" them-though most of both were taken over from the private sector by >government entities. The generation after that really seems to believe that >man qua man has no rights, except those graciously conceeded to him by the >almighty State ("driving is a privilege, not a right. Fishing is a privilege, >not a right"), and that rights are only obtained by loyal adherence to a >pressure group-AARP, NAACP, etc. Egad! I've been lampooned! Why, varlet, I was born in the otherwise unprepossessing 1972, and I'll have you know I'm fully aware of many of these things. On the other hand, I'll throw in the concept of Stewardship - I'm acutely conscious that we have one Earth only (at this time) to play with. As a consequence my response is "Sure, driving is a right, but my ecosphere is more important than my Mercedes." Actually, more to the point, OUR ecosphere is more important than ANYONE's Mercedes - so buy a bicycle. Use trains. Walk. As to fishing - go ahead. Hate the slimy little whiners (fish, that is). Stewardship has more meaning for extropians than others - because if we do this right, we _are_ 'future generations'. Be free. But not at the cost of my (future) freedom. > > This is really scary stuff, as you pointed out! We are losing >all the >individualist gains of centuries in just a few generations. It could and will >eventually set the clock back for science too, unless impeded. > I'm right with you there - but I'd educate, educate, educate rather than picking up my scientific shotgun and holing up in the hills of under-the-counter biotech. Make people aware that the nanotech 'grey goo' nightmare is not going to happen. Explain the difference between a clone and an original. Enter the debate with the religious right about meddling with things man was not meant to wot of. Science has to make itself cool, open and unthreatening (at least relatively). Heh. I'm a Brit, so some of this may be more relevant to London than L.A. - or Salt Lake City, for that matter. Still, it's worth a pop. By the way, how are you defining a generation in this context? Cheers, Nick - -- Nicholas Cornwell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:59 PDT From: bradbury@aeiveos.wa.com (Robert J. Bradbury) Subject: upload properties and conscious evolution Nicholas Cornwell > writes: > I think it is artificial to equate an upload (a fully-functional self, > possibly new, possibly old) with a foetus - but I respect the worry > that we ignore old and amazingly important debates in favour of newer, > sexier ones. Of course, the upload debate could potentially affect me > directly, but I've been born already. Such is the nature of most > people, that something which could impinge on their subjectivity is > paramount. There are critical distinctions which need to be made between potentials and actuals. A foetus (or more specifically its brain) is unpatterned and has no experience. An upload on the other hand clearly does have a "pattern" and at least a copy of some experience. It presumably also has such things as consciousness, identity and free will unless these have been removed by the uploading process. It is doubtful whether the foetal brain has these things. I have a difficult time seeing how one could envision an upload as "personal property" unless one removed such things as "identity" and "free will". That means that nondestructive uploading results in the creation of a "human being" in a way that is fundamentally different from conception. The march of science makes the newer (sexier) debates fundamentally different from the old debates in that much "prior" human culture came about as a result of the unconsious evolution driven by the struggle for survival. Consciousness and the ability to envision to at least some degree the outcome of our choices (such as the development of uploading technology). That creates a situation in which as a society we have to choose whether to go down a particular path. If we use the cloning debate as an example, it would appear that choices are being made *not* to pursue paths which have potential benefits to society. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:52 PDT From: bradbury@aeiveos.wa.com (Robert J. Bradbury) Subject: Nanodreams and The Killing Star A good source for uploading by mind transference into a machine is the story "A Gentle Seduction" by Marc Stiegler, in "Nanodreams" edited by Elton Elliott. It discusses how someone opposed to nanotechnology and nanomedicine is eventually convinced of its value. Nanodreams is an interesting collection of "fictional" works regarding nanotechnology consequences. Highly recommended. Also of interest is "The Killing Star" by Charles Pellegrino and George Zebrowski. It discusses the total destruction of humanity at the point we achieve relativistic space flight using matter-antimatter propulsion systems which allow aliens to become aware of our technology level. The solar system is "sterilized" by relativistic "bombs" to prevent us from ever being a threat to an alien species. This provides a possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox (lack of evidence for ETI). [Explanation - don't ever communicate with anyone because they may have to destroy you because of the threat your existence and technology represents.] It would appear that the *only* civilizations which could survive such an attack are those which create distributed, replicated intelligences, one type of which might be a Jupiter Brain. It also imples that for those of us who envision "immortality", that uploading copies *is* a requirement for long term survival. If an alien species knew that you had developed nanotechnology and/or uploading and had distributed or copied yourself in such a way that destruction was impossible, and "revenge" would be likely then an attack would be relatively useless. If you were aware of a developing civilization in your stellar neighborhood (highly likely given the telescope capacity of advanced civilizations), then one would have to destroy them before they reached the nanotechnology/uploading stage. Makes you wonder if we will even get to the party... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:24:56 EDT From: KathaDS@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: uploading (From Stop Gaps) "We love a rant." THIS MUST BE HEAVEN! - --Katha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:52:30 +0100 From: Nicholas Cornwell > Subject: Re: uploading (From Stop Gaps) In message <13d5866.36019a48@aol.com >, KathaDS@aol.com writes >"We love a rant." THIS MUST BE HEAVEN! >--Katha Oh, deary dear.... Please don't do that again. I almost swallowed coffee cup. Score one to you. Cheers, Nick - -- Nicholas Cornwell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:00:13 -0700 From: Hara Ra > Subject: Re: Re: uploading & consciousness >Anders Sandberg: >Actually, the subconscious is rather neat. > >I seem to detect a trace here that some people think that uploading >only transfers the "conscious" part of the mind, or just the >high-level structure of the mind. This is unrealistic, since without >the other parts our minds would not function at all (try thinking >without any low-level attention processes, limbic feedback or >brainstem activation). Uploading will most likely involve scanning >the brain on a very physical, neural level and creating an >emulation/simulation/whatever based on this; you would get the >subconscious and non-conscious parts of the brain as a part of the >package. Untangling the mental structures into a more convenient form >is much harder; my guess is that this is the next major step after >uploading has become successful. > A program which copies files is short, easy to understand, trivial to write. OTOH, the files it copies may be as massive and complex as Windows NT. Copying neural nets, even duplicating brains at the molecular level, or functionally (as in uploads) may be FAR simpler than understanding and modifying the neural nets for desired results. There may be some workarounds, but not very nice ones. For example, adding an entire second, well known and standard neural net which is used to learn the original net and force it to desired states. Any attempts at group minds will have to face the interface and integration issues, which IMHO are SEVERE. O--------------------------------O | Hara Ra > | | Box 8334 Santa Cruz, CA 95061 | | | | Death is for animals; | | immortality for gods. | | Technology is the means by | | which we make the transition. | O--------------------------------O ------------------------------ End of extropians-select-d V1 #25 ********************************* From davew@well.com Sat Sep 19 09:28:29 1998 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: FW: extropians-select-d V1 #23 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: interesting.... davew whats up with the conference call for next med?? davew From davew@well.com Sat Sep 19 14:23:25 1998 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: FW: extropians-select-d V1 #23 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: i will submit my choices davew From davew@well.com Sat Sep 19 14:25:28 1998 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Lois Clark McCoy Subject: Re: Roster and Assigned Roles for XII Part Two In-Reply-To: <360419E1.C1FCCCD8@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: lois how did you like eric ... the naval doc from the 3rd fleet he seams to have somthing to offer i gave him a breif before he came up there pressing on davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 10:07:45 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: i will forward this to my hacker to se what is the reality of what and why you are recieving but frankly the fact your recieving anything is a real leap forward this was completely new software not part of shaun com.... really glad to help out but we need to decide how to do this with out trauma to my hackers ie spell checking is not in our sow... dont get me wrong we were glad to help out in a crunch but we need to sit down and get a clear "functionality list" so this can be as seamless as possible davew On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, sjones wrote: > Hey there. I am receiving the reviews by email pointer...but in integral > multiples of the actual number of reviews..can you limit it to one email per > review? > This works nicely for me. > Thanks > S > > From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 10:08:45 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: mjlee@npac.syr.edu Subject: Forwarded mail.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: jen see below did they fill out the form more than once or is it one email for each form davew ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:01:49 -0400 From: sjones To: 'Dave Warner' Hey there. I am receiving the reviews by email pointer...but in integral multiples of the actual number of reviews..can you limit it to one email per review? This works nicely for me. Thanks S From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 10:22:51 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:22:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: FW: extropians-select-d V1 #26 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: s id like to buy a "thread".... who are these people why do they have so much time to banter.... intresting content "next head" conference?? transference of conscious to nano cubes 'next dread" conference??? the hidden evil aliens would love to create a method to sift through these types of docs and make perceptualizations of content threads and argument trajectories this would be great fodder for grok-box davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 10:24:34 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: marti warner Subject: Re: hi In-Reply-To: <19980902132016.15486.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey marti how are things in fresno??? when are you gonna come down to the "jan zoo" and play davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 10:25:44 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: wavz research Subject: me in dc In-Reply-To: <35ED6639.CC512FD4@intr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: hey dude i will be in dc tue and wed gonna fly uav's on tue and meet with darth vader on wed tue pm open wanna play davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 10:41:07 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Jim Westwood cc: sjones@darpa.mil, Johnston#m#_Stephen@Ryburn.swmed.edu, cznu@musica.mcgill.ca, karen@amainc.com, swardlaw@sysplan.com, mwilliams@sysplan.com, mwilliams@snap.org Subject: Re: It's time for a NextMed conference call... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: hey all this following are my suggestions for potential speakers for the "next mind" track of next-med II charles tart from uc davis... state specific sciences -altered states and science ross adey md loma linda va hosp. elf mag fields and neuronal fuction paul/pat churchland ucsd neuroscience and philosophy tom ferrel implantable chips "communial coupling" technology also from my queries from my trusted intel sources some names of the best neuroscience-consciousness-philisophy people that i think would be good next-med speakers my pannel will be the next-mind track Here are some references to people who might be good for Next-Med David Chalmers is probably the most fruitful philosopher of mind at this point. He has a math and computer science background before he got into consciousness studies. He is the one whose book I lent you. He has brought *information* into the discussion of how PHI/PHX relate to PSI. Here is his main page: http://ling.ucsc.edu/~chalmers/index.html Another guy who I find significant is professor of neurobiological anthropology at Carelton University. His name is Charles Laughlin and his web site is at http://www.carleton.ca/~claughli/, but this link is more directly explanatory of what he is up to http://www.carleton.ca/~claughli/c-art1.htm Another guy who is very good and has done some really important work in the areas of emotion and perception etc. is Antonio Damasio MD/Ph.D He is at University of Iowa College of Medicine: http://indy.radiology.uiowa.edu/Welcome/UIHC/UIHCMedDepts/Neurology/Neurology .html http://www.vh.org/Welcome/UIHC/UIHCPhysDirectory/NeurologyMDs/DamasioA.html example: http://cogsci.uwaterloo.ca/PHIL256/9-extra.html Steven Pinker is also pretty important in the area of linguistic neuroscience: http://web.mit.edu/bcs/www/bcshome/pinker.htm Finally you should definitely check out Gerald Edelman He is in the Neurobiology dept at Scripps. http://www.scripps.edu/nb/ For more on him go to http://www.students.cs.ruu.nl/people/fjrincke/Edelman.html He is a nobel laureate if that matters. Anyway, here are some of the most significant people that come to mind for me. As others come to me I will pass them on. No matter, any of these guys would be very cool to have at the conference. Below are brain/mind references. Some important web sites http://www.acsiom.org/nsr/morelinks.html http://www.phil.vt.edu/ASSC/ http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-09-chalmers.html http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/ http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/italy.html http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/quantum-mind.html http://www.imprint.co.uk/ peace davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 11:27:06 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Myeongjin (Jen) Lee" Subject: Re: Forwarded mail.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: jen you did a great job!!!!!!! i will not ask you to do this kind of development often this was a favor...(and done also to make them think they owe us somthing..$$$)... i do think that this is a good lesson on user interaction...but this lession is about over ;-) i will email shaun and see what he says thanks for all your effort davew ps did ej move in yet he will for a week till he and his family go to new jersey davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 11:30:01 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones@darpa.mil Subject: Re: Forwarded mail.... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: my hackers response.... do we get over time for weekend work ;) davew btw if we can find a customer for grok-box this kind of stuff would be very easy davew ---------- Forwarded mes sage ---------- Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Myeongjin (Jen) Lee" To: Dave Warner Subject: Re: Forwarded mail.... it is one e-mail per each form. reason: When Myra sent me the list of people, she specified who's for which form. But in fact, it is not that way? it seems like a person filled out both forms. Anyways, original intention was to distinguish each form. I still think it should be that way. because person A might fill out only eval form not the scoresheet or vice versa. I've also gotten automated e-mails whenever they fill out and noticed some of them were without name. That means they didn't fill out thier name field. I will add field checking to make sure they filled out every field. Again, that was done in such a hurry. so. *shrug* I hope Shaun will specify which e-mail he doesn't want to get. For example, if person B is supposed to fill out both forms, Shaun will get one e-mail for both forms, but if person C is to fill out evaluation form only, then he will get an e-mail for that form...?? Jen From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 11:39:24 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Donna Cookmeyer Subject: Re: SPIE meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: donna i have a meeting from 8-11 april in boston when would i speak in orlando??? davew On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Donna Cookmeyer wrote: > Hi Dave, > > The meeting is from the 5-9 of April in Orlando FL. I'll have to get the specs on the abstract from Jim H. and get back to you on that. > > Talk to you again soon, > > Donna > > > From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 12:15:37 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: s re "The larger intent was for a secure cyber place for the gang to go to and hang out in. Dave Ecker "hacking" into your cyberspace was not exactly awe inspiring." some clairifiying on the state of security we had not got the user interaction we needed to develop the interface and functionality ..ie no one was even trying to use it so we had not "thrown the security switch to the on position" we have tried to respond asap to all user refinement requests we need to develop with the alpha users in communication with us what we have done is to develop the core technology to impliment functionality as it is requested and provided server space to run the system davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 20 14:41:22 1998 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: karen@amainc.com Subject: the medifing cyberarium Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: karen here is a "more then you can use" version read through it a couple of times edit at will i can refine it but u ned for you to pare it down a little davew below is text which is at http://www.quasar.org/memes/mmvrmed-cy1a.htm MMVR-Medified Cyberarium An event intended to nurture the medical cyber culture Pre-inventing the future by the cyberization of medicine This event will represent an eclectic mix of medical cyber nauts ,, grad students to power nerds and garage wizards this will be a Cyberized synergy session for nurturing the med-iculture it is a place where Gadgets, Gizmos and Grok-o-laters are all welcome Its about healing - From wearable computers to global grids The Medified cyberarium will show case new tools for the next millennium medicine New ways to represent medical info New techniques for interaction WANTED Medical power nerds To demonstrate Pre-product phase or Concept phase of New interface devicesand New representational methods The Med-ified Cyberarium Cyberizing technologies will be an environment which will encourge the exchange of New concepts New ways of thinking New tools for working New methods of helping New modes healing New ways to acquire data New ways to perceive information New ways to communicate knowledge New Representational methods Inspiring art piece's Wanted next generation thinking Concept art, Diagrams- Models -Prototyps, Which illustrate next century medical wares Interfacing the next generation for the Cyberizing the act of caring Wanted cool ideas of technology and next century medicine Share your vision Concepts which promote: New ways of communicating-New ways of representing-New ways of interacting-- New methods--New tools --New ideas Design of Systems Which Support Experiential Interaction With Information Systems to Help Maintain a State of General Good Health. Facilitate the proactive utilization of informatic systems for the betterment of all. Create interactive systems which enrich perceptual states and extend expressional capacities. Thus to this end we propose the development of a space which will facilitate an integrative process of cultural "rapid-prototyping." New ways of thinking, new tools for working, new methods of healing: focuses on the process of communicating medical knowledge and providing medical service developing medical communication infrastructures designed to provide medical knowledge on demand a communication system which will provide an enhanced ability to communicate we are looking to present those groups which are developing technologies which are not just for making medicine more efficient or geographically independent but also more intelligent. transforming an entirely new outlook and expectation of the future. Dave Warner MD Medical Neuroscientist Director, Institute for Interventional Informatics San Diego Ca, www.pulsar.org davew@well.com CIO, Director of Medical Communications MindTel Syracuse NY www.mindtel.com www.mindtel.com Sponsers Institute for Interventional Informatics Mindtel ECU TTC CRNR From davew@well.com Mon Sep 21 07:20:58 1998 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Donna Cookmeyer Subject: Re: SPIE meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: donna please let me know hen you can confirm time thanks davew On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Donna Cookmeyer wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I'm afraid the timing of this session is still undetermined, but I'll make sure the organizers know that you have a conflict and that holding the session earlier in the week would be optimal. > > Donna > > > From davew@well.com Mon Sep 21 11:36:28 1998 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Bob Katz Subject: Re: Hello again...... In-Reply-To: <36069598.919E6492@katzdesign.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: bob will check out your new site we may have to set up a visit some time will look for opportunity to get together thanks for the "ping" davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 22 16:26:22 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Wavz@aol.com Subject: Re: hey dave.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII k got your vm bummer about the family trauma hugs davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 23 20:32:07 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Steve Murray Subject: Re: questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980923095129.0099db90@marlin.nosc.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII steve good to hear from you i ill be in syracuse on thursday please page me 800 950 0849 or email me whan and where to call you i fly to singapore friday davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 23 20:42:41 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Jim Westwood cc: karen@amainc.com Subject: Re: Your MMVR7 Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII jim I had not expected to "present" this year but instead to create a venue where the edge-fringe technologies could be "table toped" instead of a presentatiion i intended to create an environment where people would be encourged to bring the "just conjured in the garage" techno-wizardry whith the same theme as what you rote in the presentation this would / will be an opportunity to share/exchange ideas between diverse groups ie med heads and power nerds in an effort to "catalyse a techno-socially optimized future for the medical cyber-culture 15 or so table top demos of developing technology and conceptual design/art pieces ,,,, and some vcr/tv stations for sharing/stimulating interactions between individuals which would never get a chance to interact a cross """poly-nation"""" site davew On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Jim Westwood wrote: > Dave - > > Karen asked me to create a blurb about your show for the MMVR brochure > using your recent email. > > I hope I haven't misconstrued anything. PLEASE let me know if some of my > fixing needs unfixing. > > I tried to arrange your ideas so that someone unfamiliar with your past > presentations would readily understand. I had to cut down the info to a > smaller size, too. I hope I didn't make it too "whitebread" in the process. > > Let me know if it's OK or needs more work. > > Thanks. > > - Jim > > > *********** > > > Medified Cyberarium: Pre-Inventing the Future by the Cyberization of Medicine > > Dave Warner MD, Medical Neuroscientist > Director, Institute for Interventional Informatics, > CIO, Director of Medical Communications, MindTel > > This episode of Dave Warner's popular annual presentation will create a > cyberized synergy session for nurturing the mediculture. > > The Cyberarium is about interfacing for the cyberizing the act of caring. > It is also about healing-from wearable computers to global grids-and > promotes: > > * New ways of thinking, new tools for working, new methods of > healing > * medical communication infrastructures designed to provide > medical knowledge on demand > * communication systems which provide an enhanced ability to > communicate > * medicine that is more efficient and geographically > independent, but also more intelligent > * transforming an entirely new outlook and expectation of the > future > > Dave creates systems which support experiential interaction with > information systems to help maintain a state of general good health. His > presentation will show you what's happening at the convergence of medicine > and information science. > > > > > From davew@well.com Wed Sep 23 21:05:15 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: LINDA Harris Subject: Re: Follow up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII linda hi.... star bright story....this is best done face to face...not urgent but important i was one of the orginal reviewers of some of their projects.... as for as more space...i am intrested in cyerizing existing space not new space as far as turf...and ownership....i want to help ..not control or own please check out the following links and respond this is some of what im talking about in the early 90's i did started this http://www.pulsar.org/febweb/i3home/inf-tech.htm 1n 1992 i did this http://www.pulsar.org/febweb/i3home/eguardo.htm in 1993 i did this http://www.pulsar.org/febweb/i3home/vrfly3.htm in 94 http://www.pulsar.org/febweb/i3home/dis-int.htm http://www.pulsar.org/febweb/i3home/biocar.htm http://www.pulsar.org/febweb/i3home/ninten.htm the following is a chapter in the loma linda university medical center history book..... this is an over view of who i am and what i do standing by for further interaction davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 23 22:00:26 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Caroline Wagner Subject: Re: October 22 meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII caroline i thought i had confirmed my attendance to the oct 22 meeting sorry if the message didnt get through i am looking forward to the event davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 23 22:02:17 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:02:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: jsale@sunstroke.sdsu.edu cc: gilsdorfd@som.llu.edu Subject: October 22 meeting (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cool huh??? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:45:17 -0400 From: Caroline Wagner To: davew@well.com Subject: October 22 meeting TimesDear Dave: Hopefully, you have received a letter from Frank Fukuyama and me inviting you to an October 22 meeting of the study group on 'Information and Biological Revolutions.' A number of people did not get their letters, so I wanted to follow up, because the Oct. 22 meeting should be particularly exciting. The presentation, "Quantum Theory and Human Consciousness," will be given by Professors Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff. Roger Penrose is the Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford. He has held several posts in UK and USA, most particularly at Birkbeck College, London. He has received a number of prizes and awards including the 1988 Wolf Prize which he shared with Stephen Hawking for their understanding of the universe, the Dannie Heinemann Prize, the Royal Society Royal Medal and the Albert Einstein prize. His 1989 book The Emperor's New Mind became a best-seller and won the 1990 (Rhone-Poulenc) Science Book Prize. His latest books are Shadows of the Mind (1994), The Nature of Space and Time (1996) with Stephen Hawking, The Large, the Small and the Human Mind (1997). Dr. Stuart Hameroff is a Professor in the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology at the University of Arizona, and a physician on staff at the University hospital. Together, Professors Penrose and Hameroff have developed a theory of consciousness, called the Penrose-Hameroff Model, using quantum theory to explain consciousness. In this model, Penrose and Hameroff propose that quantum theory and a newly proposed physical phenomenon, quantum wave function, are essential for consciousness, and occur in cytoskeletal microtubules and other structures within each of the brain's neurons. Several papers on this theory can be found at Dr. Hameroff's web site: www.u.arizona.edu/~hameroff/ The speakers will present this theory at the study group meeting. I hope you will be able to make it to the October 22 meeting. It will be held from 6 PM until 9 PM at RAND's Washington DC office. Let me know if your schedule will permit you to participate. Thanks. TimesCaroline S. Wagner Science and Technology Policy Institute at RAND 1333 H Street, NW Suite 800 Washington DC 20005 202-296-5000 x5685 cwagner@rand.org From davew@well.com Wed Sep 23 22:06:13 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Frank Biocca cc: Duncan Rowland , Rachel Miller Subject: Re: Class info In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980923181731.0085d7b0@tcimet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII frank i look forward to "modulating the future" with your class i had planed to fly in some time pm of 15th or am of 16th and leave pm of the 18th or am of the 19th davew From davew@well.com Thu Sep 24 07:23:04 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:23:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Jim Westwood Subject: Re: Revised stuff. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII jim a call for projects is ok and i will be privately inviting ... persons wanting to participate should contact me davew@well.com fax 619 566 0020 or 315 443 1973 please note both are fax lines davew On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Jim Westwood wrote: > Dave - > > Aha! I understand better now. I will change the text to reflect the new > format and send it back for another look. > > By the way, are you privately inviting those who'll be showing their wares, > or do you want a "Call for Projects" included in this blurb? > > Jim > > > > From davew@well.com Thu Sep 24 13:34:02 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:34:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Atau Tanaka Subject: Re: i'm around In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII atau i am in syracuse fly to singapore tomorrow for a week how long are you in states can you come to syracuse??? we have a 16 channel tng 8 analog 8 digital and just developed dry emg interface working for darth vader to survive.... respond my pager /vm is 800 950 0849 come and play at the center for really neat research oh i almost forgot we have the hotest softare ever... called neattools check out www.mindtel.com www.pulsar.org dave really good to hear from you i cant wait to show you how much e have developed since you last saw check On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Atau Tanaka wrote: > Dave - > > I'm in SF, will be in LA friday. > Where are you? Can we hook up? > > tel: 415-518-1913 or email > > best, Atau > > > > From davew@well.com Thu Sep 24 16:58:45 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: marti warner Subject: Re: hi In-Reply-To: <19980924232309.1989.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi marti i fly to singapore tomorrow will be gone a week are you using dads computer or did you bring yours over??? davew On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, marti warner wrote: > Hi David > Things are the same in fresno. nothing ever changes. I am taking a class > at compusa on tuesday. then i will take 4 other classes. i am trying to > learn as much as i can about computers. > > Talk to you soon > marti > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From davew@well.com Thu Sep 24 19:37:04 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Fleet Surgeon Subject: Re:contact In-Reply-To: <000b01bde808$84380c50$eb0160cd@j00s.coronado.navy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII eric i am flying to singapore tomorrow have some layovertime in afternoon pst can we connect??? also need to get breif of lois encounter and give breif of tango standing by for further comm davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 07:05:00 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: David Cole Subject: Re: SSNR and stuff In-Reply-To: <002701bde18a$d68ad0c0$24701ad1@ibm-notebook.aquathought.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII dave im off to singapore for a week we will connect some time right???? also http://www.cyberarium.com/sigkids/index.html is trevor ville davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 07:38:37 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: millerr5@pilot.msu.edu Subject: flight for dave warner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII rachel i can leave some time early after noon on thursday 15th and fly back last flight sunday please book through us-airways...(not north west!!!!!!) davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 08:28:23 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Fleet Surgeon Subject: RE: contact In-Reply-To: <001301bde87d$9aafa400$eb0160cd@j00s.coronado.navy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII eric i am not scheduled to come to san diego untill oct 24th i have some time on the 26th and 29th .... as for tango info please ask marek... the project leader Marek Podgorny also you mentioned about observing while "underway" any time frame for this??? davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 12:28:13 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Ben Delaney Subject: hi ben In-Reply-To: <199809251818.LAA24342@proxy4.ba.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ben at mmvr karen has allowed me to "open " the opening night to the cyber-culture i am looking for some some really cool widgits to show case i have about 10 table top spaces for "raw technolgy" in the pre product phase if you have any suggestions let me know\ this will be open to the public...and i would really like the power nerds to participate more info on demand davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 16:57:06 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: eurban@darpa.mil cc: rdugan@darpa.mil Subject: bot-masters anyone????? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII shall i contact them for controller???? davew ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:46:18 -0400 From: sjones To: 'Tom Ferrell' , 'Dave Warner' Subject: add to your brain base 9-37. USA - TINY ROBOT SHOWS URBAN WARFARE PROMISE Periscope Daily Defense News Capsules Sept 14, 1998 WORD COUNT: 307 PUBLISHER: United Communications Group File 636 04103346 DEFENSE NEWS -- (Sep 7-13) - Autonomous air vehicles the size of a human hand are being developed by the Georgia Tech Research Institute to operate inside buildings and perform a variety of defense missions, including surveillance. The institute is expecting a three year $2.6 million grant from the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency for further development of its miniscule aircraft powered by chemicals. Micro air vehicles (MAV) are being developed by a number of engineers, but the Georgia Tech vehicles are seen by their designers as a fundamental breakthrough in the field. The chief obstacle to successful operation of MAVs has been lack of power. Batteries are too heavy and weak, combustion engines are too big, and fuel cells are not ready, experts say. however, Robert Michelson, a researcher at the institute, has devised a novel means of powering the Lillipution aircraft. His group proposes to use a reciprocating chemical muscle to power a 50 gram machine called an entomopter that flies by flapping its wings like an insect. Still awaiting patents for his power scheme, Michelson refused to discuss it during an Aug. 3 interview. But a publicly available research paper by his group indicates the energy to propel the MAVs is derived from a catalytic system that breaks part a chemical, releasing heat and gas. Tiny aircraft able to look over a hill, around a corner, or into a building would offer enormous advantages to combat forces of the future, say military tacticians. The institute's researchers envision their MANs as specially designed for the most difficult task of all, indoor missions. Unlike outdoor missions, in which MAVs are useful only when flying, indoor missions would require vehicles that move into place and stay put for long periods of time, and then get out fast. In other missions, they would fly in and out immediately. COPYRIGHT 1998 United Communications Group Return to Library Home Page. From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 16:59:21 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: More toys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this really bugs me!!!! davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 17:00:13 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: More toys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII s i am in a "reconfigure the sow mode" with dick and regina any heads up??? davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 17:23:19 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: More toys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII silk is a worm product ....right????? davew On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, sjones wrote: > Maybe turn it into a silk purse? > badummbumm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Warner [SMTP:davew@well.com] > Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 8:00 PM > To: sjones > Subject: Re: More toys > > s > > i am in a "reconfigure the sow mode" with dick and regina > > any heads up??? > davew > > > From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 17:25:20 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:25:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: More toys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII on my way to singapore lets connect arrount the 7th im in dc davew From davew@well.com Fri Sep 25 17:34:54 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: marti warner Subject: Re: have a nice time on your trip In-Reply-To: <19980926002641.15456.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII marti email me and i will pick them up for you ie the bears i will have email davew On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, marti warner wrote: > Hi, > Iam using both computers. i hope you have a safe trip. I am not working > as of now. Just taking a break until i move. Things are looking better > for me. I am looking in northern calif. Trying to decide where i want to > move. > > I should of told you what bears to pick up for me. > bye.marti > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From davew@well.com Sun Sep 27 22:50:47 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: eurban cc: Tina Burch Subject: Re: Financials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII dick did you know that my contract started 7-1-98 ie i have only been under contract for less than 90 days??? i will supply info as requested davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 27 22:58:05 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: heather@npac.syr.edu Subject: Financials (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII heather i just recieved this request from darpa can you please give me an accounting of money spent on bot masters i will respond to them i am in singapore and have intermittent email so please respond as soon as you are able davew ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:35:36 -0400 From: eurban To: Dave Warner Cc: Tina Burch Subject: Financials Dave I need the following information emailed to me and to tburch@sysplan.com by next Friday. Dick =========== Need one short paragraph explaining progress made during the past year. Need one short paragraph stating what will be accomplished during the coming year. Need the following financial data in the form provided: Contractor: Contract Number: Contract Start Date: Projected Contract End Date: Date Current Funding Will be Exhausted: Total Contract Value: Amount of funds issued to date: How much expended as of 6/30/98: How much remains after 6/30/98: Monthly burn rate: Requirement through 11/99: From davew@well.com Sun Sep 27 23:06:53 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Steve Murray Subject: Re: PO and tasking In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980927195914.006bac48@marlin.nosc.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII steve po sounds good can you put it in po "terms" and we will put it on mindtel letter head how specific should the budget be?? we need my time my travel my widgits will look for the raffles bar...... davew From davew@well.com Sun Sep 27 23:17:38 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:17:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo@yahoo.com Subject: jancam?????? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey baby what happened to the jancam page ie no cam picture????? i can see you on the cyberarium preview page but you are missing from the jancam page oh by the way i got here ok and you would really love it here hot and clean and safe lots of nrodstrom-like shopping.... also i need a fax for the airfare they need an invoice i will call you with the number later c u xoxoxox me From davew@well.com Sun Sep 27 23:19:49 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo@yahoo.com Subject: it was a java problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey baby i can see you now it was a java problem davew From davew@well.com Mon Sep 28 18:00:31 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Heather Tetro Subject: RE: Financials (fwd) In-Reply-To: <01BDEAC3.DDA45A60@nemesis.npac.syr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII heather i need details of where the money went thanks davew On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Heather Tetro wrote: > > As of 9/28/98 > > > > Budget 599,698 > Spent 253,217 > > Balance 346,431 > > Let me know if you need further information > > Thanks > > > > > > Heather Tetro > Administrative Director > NPAC @ Syracuse University > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Warner [SMTP:davew@well.com] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 1:58 AM > To: heather@npac.syr.edu > Subject: Financials (fwd) > > heather > i just recieved this request from darpa > > can you please give me an accounting of money spent on bot masters > i will respond to them > i am in singapore and have intermittent email so please respond as soon > as you are able > > > davew > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:35:36 -0400 > From: eurban > To: Dave Warner > Cc: Tina Burch > Subject: Financials > > Dave > I need the following information emailed to me and to tburch@sysplan.com by > next Friday. > Dick > =========== > Need one short paragraph explaining progress made during the past year. > > Need one short paragraph stating what will be accomplished during the coming > year. > > Need the following financial data in the form provided: > > Contractor: > > Contract Number: > > Contract Start Date: > > Projected Contract End Date: > > Date Current Funding Will be Exhausted: > > Total Contract Value: > > Amount of funds issued to date: > > How much expended as of 6/30/98: > > How much remains after 6/30/98: > > Monthly burn rate: > > Requirement through 11/99: > > > > > > From davew@well.com Tue Sep 29 01:18:15 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Dolphins4U@aol.com Subject: Re: News from Hawaii In-Reply-To: <4d3fc63b.36108034@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey terry bummer about kathy.... not doing much medicine these days but can send love and good vibes am in singapore at the moment....disney land with a death penalty actually they are very nice over here... a little too many rules for my liking but it reminds me of kauai... good news about the birthing clinc..... be careful about who you partner with i will find a way over there to hawaii..... am working for darth vader to pay the bills.... beware the dark side davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 29 01:20:38 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo@yahoo.com Subject: what is your ip address Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII please email me the ip address i want to demo the camera controler davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 29 02:15:50 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: susinid@who.ch Subject: from Salah Manbdil courtesy Dave Warner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dalia, Please ask Yasu to unbloiock my e-mailbox. It worked nicely for two days then blocked on me. It is possible that I did not log out properly last time. Also, please check if the Vacancy Announcements had been issued and send me an e-message with the list. Thanks, Salah Mandil From davew@well.com Tue Sep 29 17:48:49 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Heather Tetro Subject: RE: Financials (fwd) In-Reply-To: <01BDEB8E.BA6C8740@nemesis.npac.syr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thanks heather this will do just fine davew On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Heather Tetro wrote: > > Salaries: 33,788 > Fringe 11,344 > NPAC Resource 46,097 > Travel 4,944 > Equipment 4,986 > Materials/Supplies 23,742 > Subcontracts 70,000 > Tuition 4,995 > Overhead 53,322 > > > Total 253,218 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heather Tetro > Administrative Director > NPAC @ Syracuse University > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Warner [SMTP:davew@well.com] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 9:01 PM > To: Heather Tetro > Subject: RE: Financials (fwd) > > heather i need details of where the money went > > thanks > davew > > > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Heather Tetro wrote: > > > > > As of 9/28/98 > > > > > > > > Budget 599,698 > > Spent 253,217 > > > > Balance 346,431 > > > > Let me know if you need further information > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Heather Tetro > > Administrative Director > > NPAC @ Syracuse University > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Warner [SMTP:davew@well.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 1:58 AM > > To: heather@npac.syr.edu > > Subject: Financials (fwd) > > > > heather > > i just recieved this request from darpa > > > > can you please give me an accounting of money spent on bot masters > > i will respond to them > > i am in singapore and have intermittent email so please respond as soon > > as you are able > > > > > > davew > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:35:36 -0400 > > From: eurban > > To: Dave Warner > > Cc: Tina Burch > > Subject: Financials > > > > Dave > > I need the following information emailed to me and to tburch@sysplan.com by > > next Friday. > > Dick > > =========== > > Need one short paragraph explaining progress made during the past year. > > > > Need one short paragraph stating what will be accomplished during the coming > > year. > > > > Need the following financial data in the form provided: > > > > Contractor: > > > > Contract Number: > > > > Contract Start Date: > > > > Projected Contract End Date: > > > > Date Current Funding Will be Exhausted: > > > > Total Contract Value: > > > > Amount of funds issued to date: > > > > How much expended as of 6/30/98: > > > > How much remains after 6/30/98: > > > > Monthly burn rate: > > > > Requirement through 11/99: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From davew@well.com Tue Sep 29 17:50:56 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Dolphins4U@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: News from Hawaii In-Reply-To: <83364344.3611066c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII darth vader is the us military i am working in medical intelligence not building bombs and missles i am also using my talents to help with the humanatarian demining ie removing those evil land mines .... more later davew From davew@well.com Tue Sep 29 22:53:58 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: davew@npac.syr.edu Subject: Re:from Salah Manbdil courtesy Dave Warner (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:18:38 +0100 From: susinid@who.ch To: Dave Warner Subject: Re:from Salah Manbdil courtesy Dave Warner Dear Dr Mandil, 1. Yasu has unblocked the e-mailbox. Your new password is: 98sing Please remember to unblock it when you are back in Geneva. 2. Checked the Intranet. No new Vacancies have been issued. Called Andy who confirmed that "they have not yet decided how many posts are to be created at the D level at HQs. Decision is being taken at the Cabinet today". Shall follow it up first thing on Thursday when I am back in the office (tomorrow is Kippur day and I would be leaving today after the Cluster's meeting which was postponed from yesterday to this afternoon at 16:30 hours). 3. Salha received a confirmation from RCI yesterday for a studio (max. occupancy 4 ppl) and of course I called Jo immediately that this was not acceptable. In the meantime he found a place for you 50 miles from Sedona, by the Grand Canyon, 2 bedrooms + 2 beds (max. occupancy 8 ppl), but it is not at the "Golden Crown" level (International). He is still trying to get something else at the "Golden Crown" level in the area you asked and at "Orange Lake" (the lady at Orange Lake was not in yesterday). I should be hearing from him sometime today latest by tomorrow (he has my number at home). Basil & Salha have been informed accordingly. 4. All the payments were made. With my best regards and take care, Dalia From davew@well.com Wed Sep 30 01:00:58 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo Subject: Re: what is your ip address In-Reply-To: <19980929220822.21782.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII janice no fax so far number is 65-779 3513 this number takes also voice so please try this by voive and make sure you are connecting contact the phone company if you dont know how to dial th country code for singapore davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 30 02:18:10 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Rachel M. Miller" Subject: Re: flight for dave warner In-Reply-To: <199809291453.KAA146362@pilot006.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII sorry i will need to fly out of syracuse ny thanks davew On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Rachel M. Miller wrote: > Dr. Warner, > > Thanks for the information, however I need to know one more thing. Which > airport will you be wanting to fly out of? > > Once I get this, I'll get you a flight on US. (I flew Northwest this > weekend, so believe me, I will not be booking a flight for you with them.) :) > > Rachel Miller > > At 07:38 AM 9/25/98 -0700, you wrote: > >rachel > > > >i can leave some time early after noon on thursday > >15th and fly back last flight sunday > > > >please book through us-airways...(not north west!!!!!!) > >davew > > > > > From davew@well.com Wed Sep 30 19:48:35 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Joni BOKOVOY Subject: Re: Special project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII joni am in singapore at the present will be state side next week all you said sounds good davew From davew@well.com Wed Sep 30 23:52:24 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Heather Tetro Subject: RE: Financials (fwd) In-Reply-To: <01BDEB8E.BA6C8740@nemesis.npac.syr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII heather i need the following info asap... neeed to complete report by tonight for the bot masters contract Contractor: Contract Number: Contract Start Date: thanks davew btw will be in syr mon - tue next week if you need anything from me... From davew@well.com Thu Oct 1 01:14:26 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: janzoo@yahoo.com Subject: hey baby Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey baby could you please reconfirm my flights singapore to syracuse ie tell them i will be ther and ensure the upstairs got the fax thanks xoxoxxoxo me From davew@well.com Thu Oct 1 18:15:36 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Heather Tetro Subject: RE: Financials (fwd) In-Reply-To: <01BDED20.3620D660@nemesis.npac.syr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII thanks davew From davew@well.com Thu Oct 1 18:25:13 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Richard A. Blade" Subject: Re: Videotape interview in the IJVR In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981001110740.007c61b0@pcisys.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII dave warner md medical neuroscientist director, institute for interventional informatics 10860 pinot noir cr san diego ca 92131 usa 619 566 2662 619 566 0020-fax davew@well.com www.pulsar.org From davew@well.com Thu Oct 1 18:30:32 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Griggs, Kathleen" cc: 'Elana Ethridge' , 'Dick Urban' , 'Ken Bollinger' , 'Roger Lewis gd' Subject: Re: WAGS Kickoff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII can do c u on 14th davew From davew@well.com Fri Oct 2 01:42:35 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 01:42:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: eurban cc: Tina Burch , rdugan@darpa.mil Subject: Re: Financials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dick (and regina) I am not sure exactly what you needed here is a response to your email I can provide more or less detail on demand There is so much work that needs to be done in the interfacing of these new systems I am kind of shooting in the dark because I am not sure where you want me to focus in the absence of a new directive form you we will continue along the lines of the SOW Which is at www.pulsar.org/b3k/reginifiedsow.html if you want to change our effort and focus we will need to reconsider budget. We will morph to please you said that you Need one short paragraph explaining progress made during the past year. Since our start date of 7/1/98 our efforts in developing intelligent human-computer interface systems for wearable systems have been split into two distinct areas. We have focused on specific interface systems for the handheld land mine detectors and generalized interface systems for wearable computers for applications ranging from distributed robotics to war-fighter visualization systems and smart modules. We have established and equipped a research laboratory at Syracuse University where our work efforts will reside. In the area of landmine detectors we have acquired a pss12 standard issue landmine detector. We have evaluated it for areas which can be immediately improved. We have focused early efforts in prototyping new handles which will render data to the solider via tactile cues and have developed new methods for direct visualization of coil data. We have also surveyed other technologies, which DARPA is funding for new methods of mine detection, and are initiating contact with the other contractors in order to work with them to help them optimize the human interface to these emerging systems. In all of these efforts we are working closely with the Marines at Quantico to ensure that our solutions are realistic and will actually work in field conditions. In the area of a generalized human interface system for wearable systems we have be developed new modular software configurations which will provide a universal rapid prototyping tool for quickly integrating a wide variety of human to computer interface devices. We have also begun development on a generic interface hardware module which allow a wide variety of interface options to be interchanged with out major re-engineering efforts. In addition to the development efforts of our hardware and software we have also established a working relationship with other contractors in these projects to ensure compatibility of our solutions with their technologies. And that you Need one short paragraph stating what will be accomplished during the coming year. Efforts will continue along our planed trajectory of integrating and testing human interface systems. In the area of landmine detector we will develop techniques enhance the current audio output of detector and will refine our recently developed visual display. We will continue our work in developing new methods of processing raw data coming from the coil and will research methods of modifying unprocessed signals coming directly from the induction coil. In the general wearable computer interface systems. We will focus on the integration of multiple human to computer data input devices into a single wearable system. We will continue to develop devices such as, bio-electric signal detectors, dynamic bend sensors, pressure sensors and will explore audio and video digitizers, among other devices. For the next year's efforts we will extend our work to include the development of hand controllers for UAV's. We will continue to visit the development sites of the other contractors in an effort to help them refine their interface systems so as to be useable in the required mission setting. Contractor - US Marine Corps # - M67854-98-C-1102 Start date - 7/1/98 Projected Contract End Date: 6/30/00 Date Current Funding Will be Exhausted: 6/30/00 (this is as projected in the budget submitted) we could (and would like to) accelerate efforts and exhaust funding much sooner if allowed Total Contract Value: 1,598,927 599,648 year 1 999,279 year 2 Amount of funds issued to date: 599,648 (this is the year 1 funds) How much expended as of 6/30/98: 0 (contract started 7/1/98) How much remains after 6/30/98: all remains after this date since we didn't start till 7/1/98 Budget 599,698 Our start up costs of equipment and subcontracts was Spent 253,217 leaving Balance 346,431 Monthly burn rate: this varies according to tasks worked on, travel completed and equipment purchased but on average it is $50k/mo for year 1in research phase and will ramp up to $80k in year 2 and Requirement through 11/99: This is 1/2 way through our year 2 efforts and we anticipate a minimum of $999k for the whole year ending 6/30/00 however We are planning on accelerating our efforts (if allowed) and will complete funded tasks by 11/99 C u ( and regina)next wed davew From davew@well.com Sat Oct 3 08:32:27 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: HyperandD@aol.com Subject: Re: hi In-Reply-To: <4352b6c0.36157d28@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey marti is this a new email account??? im back sorry no bears davew From davew@well.com Sat Oct 3 08:34:50 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Lois Clark McCoy cc: "eric, Dr. rasmussen" Subject: Re: New Program for NIUSR and Navy for 1999 In-Reply-To: <361635D5.3CB96998@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi lois just landed back from singapore... will connect with eric and see what he wants me to do pressing on davew From davew@well.com Sat Oct 3 23:34:54 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: HyperandD@aol.com Subject: Re: hi In-Reply-To: <9c5847c8.3616c976@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey marti i am pushing my self..a little hard and it is starting to effect me i am trying to excersize a little more and relax erery now and then as far as im concerned...i have the rest of my life to finish my phd...it is just that loma linda will charge me (or dad ) 40k if i dont finish it before june 2000 email janice at janzoo@yahoo.com c u at thanks giving?? davew From davew@well.com Sat Oct 3 23:41:01 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: JPatriquin@aol.com Subject: Re: human dolphin therapy In-Reply-To: <7ea92177.3616e0f3@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII jerri the human dolphin activites are intermittent... contact dave cole at dc@aquathought.com By US Mail: Aquathought Labs 15951 McGregor Blvd. Suite 2C Ft. Myers, FL 33908 USA Voice: (941) 437-2958 Fax: (941) 437-4561 Electronic Mail: dc@aquathought.com - David Cole, President he has the best info on current programs it is my experience that this is a good thing...but keep your expectations to realistic out comes dave warner md On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 JPatriquin@aol.com wrote: > Dr. Warner, I saw your information related to research I am doing on a > personal level re: human dolphin therapy. I have a daugher with Down Syndrome > and am desperately seeking information on specific centers where this therapy > is currently being offered. Madeleine LOVES to swim...at 5, it is her > favorite activity. She is. for the most part, nonverbal. What little she > does communicate seems to pertain to swimming. I know this therapy would be > invaluable to her. > If you are in no way related to this research, please disregard. If you do, > however, have information along these lines, could you fwd? We would be > forever grateful. > Sincerely, > Jerri Lynn Patriquin > > From davew@well.com Sun Oct 4 19:49:45 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: Know them? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII looks like a group of people that sonny m might have funded davew dont know them looks like leading fringe ... who is monitering them ? From davew@well.com Sun Oct 4 20:49:59 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: wavz@intr.net Subject: ping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey dude im comming to dc tueseay and wed wanna play??? will have car so can come down to the fort davew From davew@well.com Sun Oct 4 21:17:21 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re:me in dc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII s i wil be in dc tue and wed can we connect need a little shaun time davew From davew@well.com Sun Oct 4 21:17:39 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: Re: Know them? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII here's annie From davew@well.com Sun Oct 4 21:20:23 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Fleet Surgeon Subject: ping... In-Reply-To: <002401bde8cf$23777eb0$eb0160cd@j00s.coronado.navy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII eric will be in san diego at end of month can we connect .. till then what heads up can you give me for your intended "use of my talents" ;-) davew From davew@well.com Sun Oct 4 21:44:28 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: CraigR3@mindspring.com Subject: more fun Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey craig long time no hear how is life fyi i just posted the source for all the neattools modules so if you know of any hackers that want to make the world a better place www.pulsar.org/modules davew From davew@well.com Sun Oct 4 21:47:31 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Steve Murray Subject: Re: PO and tasking In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980927195914.006bac48@marlin.nosc.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII will be in san diego 26th and 29th lets tyr to work out po details before then so we can get a little work done davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 00:03:14 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:03:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: wavz@usa.net Subject: hey man watch ya doing???? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ping clay at where ever he is hey dude what is you life like??? wanna play.. davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 06:26:29 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: wavz Subject: Re: pong In-Reply-To: <3618C1A1.FB8B82D8@intr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII morning dude i will have to go to quantico on wed am and then to apt by 2 ish if you can drive me cool but dont expect it would love to meet brian... also looking for da kind davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 06:29:53 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 06:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: sjones Subject: RE: me in dc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII primary meeting with dick and regina as soon as they firm up a time i will try to lock in with you davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 09:33:52 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Craig N. Robinson" Subject: Re: more fun In-Reply-To: <3618E2E6.12C5@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey craig institute for interventional informatics 10860 pinot noir cr san diego ca 92131 janice can be reached at 619 566 2662 fax 0020 worinkg to keep this ever increasing project floating... are you ever in the san diego area?? davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 11:04:06 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: Jim Westwood Subject: Re: Moderator at MMVR:7 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII yes On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Jim Westwood wrote: > Dave: > > We'd like you to be a moderator of the Telemedicine session at MMVR:7 - at > 1:30 pm on Thursday, January 21. > > Would you be willing to do this? > > Jim Westwood > > Aligned Management Associates, Inc. > > East Coast(USA) Office: > 13-R Lower Blvd., New London CT 06320 > ph: 860. 447. 9767 fax: 860. 444. 0362 > > > * * * * * MEDICINE MEETS VIRTUAL REALITY: 7 * * * * * > * * * * * January 20-23, 1999, San Francisco Marriott * * * * * > * * * * http://www.amainc.com/MMVR/MMVR.html * * * * > > > > From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 11:07:17 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Craig N. Robinson" Subject: Re: more fun In-Reply-To: <36190251.39E9@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII craig working for darth vader working on landmine detection wearable computers distributed robotic controllers emergency response medical intelligence also still working with disabled...but that dosent pay the all the rent surf our new site davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 11:10:23 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: jojo@well.com Subject: neattools update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey jojo neattools core is "finished" module developers kit and module source code on web http://s008.infomall.org/tav/CreateAnExternalModule/ www.pulsar.org/modules for source of modules what are you doing these days davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 11:23:59 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Craig N. Robinson" Subject: Re: Star Wars IV In-Reply-To: <36190D2C.78C6@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII craig we plan to commercialize tng3 through mindtel my for-profit llc www.mindtel.com by christmas will come with a sensor kit right now the tng3 8 analog and 8 digital inputs and costs about 200$ each parts and labor labor is biggest cost we will make a little care package for you in the comming weeks davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 11:58:01 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: "Craig N. Robinson" Subject: Re: Star Wars IV, THG commercial, USB coming soon? In-Reply-To: <36191385.7061@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII tng 3 will remain standard serial but tng4 is already prototyped 22 channels and we may go with a usb version davew thanks for the check... From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 12:51:19 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: wavz Subject: Re: pong In-Reply-To: <3618CC3B.2E76478F@intr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII quentin 1017 pn amsterdam leidsekade 89 tel 0031-20-6262187 fax 0031-02-6220121 will be free in eve of tue so far no plans for thur so maybe nature thing with ya davew From davew@well.com Mon Oct 5 20:13:36 1998 Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Warner To: wavz Subject: Re: tueswedthurs// In-Reply-To: <3619824C.FDF64E19@intr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII crossed wires i will arrive in dc in wed am i have a full day wed will open at night on wed nothing yet planed for thhur am will go to nc to see dave balch arround 1pm from national davew